bad_dad_brad
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I would head towards where my folks live, in the Mackinaw river valley. Plenty of game, fish, crops, and water. Any city is no where to be if the SHTF.
City or Country for safety if SHTF???
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Kaylee
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Most practical I suppose would be if you're in the city, make friends with someone in the country, and vice versa. That way if something goes down terrible in one place, there's always someplace each can run to if necessary.
That said.... I don't like cities in the best of times. In the worst of times they sound like pure he..um... heck.
Finally, I think Tam is on to something .. small rural community offers the best balance of adantages for that sort of thing if you can deal with the disadvantages of small town life.
If the only reason you're there is to "get away from SHTF" you're likely to be looked on as the local fruitcake, and people do talk. Further, don't expect much help if you're not part of the community already (meaning, actively part of the community, not just living in the town limits) if something goes down.
-K
That said.... I don't like cities in the best of times. In the worst of times they sound like pure he..um... heck.
Finally, I think Tam is on to something .. small rural community offers the best balance of adantages for that sort of thing if you can deal with the disadvantages of small town life.
If the only reason you're there is to "get away from SHTF" you're likely to be looked on as the local fruitcake, and people do talk. Further, don't expect much help if you're not part of the community already (meaning, actively part of the community, not just living in the town limits) if something goes down.
-K
Leatherneck
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Ever heard "A Country Boy Can Survive?" 
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bogie
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1) Make friends with your neighbors. That's what they're there for.
2) If you're in an urban area, plan on staying put for a while. Vehicles on the road, assuming mass unrest, will likely remain stationary for long periods of time, and may possibly be seen as targets. After the first wave of nastiness, you may want to consider visiting someone you know in the country. Arrive with gifts, and be prepared to work.
3) If you're within 60 or so miles of an urban concentration, assume that you'll get visitors. You can either be polite, or you can be nasty, but you've gotta be one of the two, because if your place looks unoccupied, it will be occupied. Street gangs, etc., may be more organized than you would think...
Personally, since I'm in St. Louis, I'm gonna head for Macoupin County (grin). I just hope that the van will hold all the stuff...
2) If you're in an urban area, plan on staying put for a while. Vehicles on the road, assuming mass unrest, will likely remain stationary for long periods of time, and may possibly be seen as targets. After the first wave of nastiness, you may want to consider visiting someone you know in the country. Arrive with gifts, and be prepared to work.
3) If you're within 60 or so miles of an urban concentration, assume that you'll get visitors. You can either be polite, or you can be nasty, but you've gotta be one of the two, because if your place looks unoccupied, it will be occupied. Street gangs, etc., may be more organized than you would think...
Personally, since I'm in St. Louis, I'm gonna head for Macoupin County (grin). I just hope that the van will hold all the stuff...
Ebbtide
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Okay, I'll breakdown and respond to a SHTF thread, its a first.
Both have advantages. I'm betting on the city as that is where I live. It would be my guess that with whatever SHTF happens, the city folks will have services restored first.
On the issue of food, where do you get your food in the country (aside from wilderness living where you can find your own with little competition), my guess is the same grocery chain I get mine.
ehenz
Both have advantages. I'm betting on the city as that is where I live. It would be my guess that with whatever SHTF happens, the city folks will have services restored first.
On the issue of food, where do you get your food in the country (aside from wilderness living where you can find your own with little competition), my guess is the same grocery chain I get mine.
ehenz
labgrade
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Topgun,
"Conventional wisdom says ... "
& since this has never happened here, what's "conventional" about it? Something to consider - nobody has any clue what to expect, or how to deal with it.
All depends on what your SHTF scenaro is.
"Country" is different. We live about 5-8 miles outside of a fairly smallish town, but well with the corridors of I-25. It's not real farmland by any stretch, but does have its goodly smattering of deer/elk/stuff AND pretty nifty ridges that are natural barriers - we grow stuff though. We have a goodly lake 1/4 mile away. We're in a kinda "rural suburbia" - with natural fortifications.
Anything "Y2K-wise," I figured to blow off electricity entirely = we can get by w/o that, go a bit "more countryfied."
There's food that'll stay well 'n good a long, long time.
"The country would probably be the first place marauders would head."
I would do everything (ditch the roads & post rifle sentries (5 max would do it here) I could to prevent the hoards to get here. There's a "but" here though.
"Food ... available for looting ... Extra ammo would be "findable" in city by well planned raids. "
So you'd start looting? & by forming your own gang/s, huh?
I'd suggest a prepared plan of survival by hunkering down & let the cannibals sort it all out first. After that, you & other "more humane" types may want to reestablish some sort of "order" & start the "re-living" process.
Somehow, thinking of armed excursions into others' property doesn't really bode well in my mind as a survivable, or morally justifited, continuance of existance. Maybe "git some" (of yer own first) so you don't "have to?"
SHTF has so many aspects to it that nobody can even conceive them all. Best you can do is have the skill-sets enough, have stuff on-hand, etc. that you have a decent enough chance of weathering the storm.
Going overt is not one of my priorities.
Assuming the "hoards from the cities," I would hope we could prevent them from getting here - just make a sane pocket. Likely, my idiotic neighbors would help pave a road for them. By ditching & "maintaining" two "entrances," we could preserve close to 100+ square miles of prime deer/elk/watershed (3 main lakes w/attendant water-critters). Plenty good enough for who lives here now, but certainly not enough for a 100X weekend warrior-type increase (not to mention their bad habbits).
Even in the "worst scenarios," we've a private plane to go to a much more private area ..... & I don't even care for that neither.
I do go on ....
"Conventional wisdom says ... "
& since this has never happened here, what's "conventional" about it? Something to consider - nobody has any clue what to expect, or how to deal with it.
All depends on what your SHTF scenaro is.
"Country" is different. We live about 5-8 miles outside of a fairly smallish town, but well with the corridors of I-25. It's not real farmland by any stretch, but does have its goodly smattering of deer/elk/stuff AND pretty nifty ridges that are natural barriers - we grow stuff though. We have a goodly lake 1/4 mile away. We're in a kinda "rural suburbia" - with natural fortifications.
Anything "Y2K-wise," I figured to blow off electricity entirely = we can get by w/o that, go a bit "more countryfied."
There's food that'll stay well 'n good a long, long time.
"The country would probably be the first place marauders would head."
I would do everything (ditch the roads & post rifle sentries (5 max would do it here) I could to prevent the hoards to get here. There's a "but" here though.
"Food ... available for looting ... Extra ammo would be "findable" in city by well planned raids. "
So you'd start looting? & by forming your own gang/s, huh?
I'd suggest a prepared plan of survival by hunkering down & let the cannibals sort it all out first. After that, you & other "more humane" types may want to reestablish some sort of "order" & start the "re-living" process.
Somehow, thinking of armed excursions into others' property doesn't really bode well in my mind as a survivable, or morally justifited, continuance of existance. Maybe "git some" (of yer own first) so you don't "have to?"
SHTF has so many aspects to it that nobody can even conceive them all. Best you can do is have the skill-sets enough, have stuff on-hand, etc. that you have a decent enough chance of weathering the storm.
Going overt is not one of my priorities.
Assuming the "hoards from the cities," I would hope we could prevent them from getting here - just make a sane pocket. Likely, my idiotic neighbors would help pave a road for them. By ditching & "maintaining" two "entrances," we could preserve close to 100+ square miles of prime deer/elk/watershed (3 main lakes w/attendant water-critters). Plenty good enough for who lives here now, but certainly not enough for a 100X weekend warrior-type increase (not to mention their bad habbits).
Even in the "worst scenarios," we've a private plane to go to a much more private area ..... & I don't even care for that neither.
I do go on ....
Topgun
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Dateline: Bugscuffle, TX
"This sleepy little Texas town of 4,500 was completely overwhelmed and destroyed early today when 10,000 rioters killed everybody there.
Barbecues are still burning as we speak. Back to you, Geraldo."
"This sleepy little Texas town of 4,500 was completely overwhelmed and destroyed early today when 10,000 rioters killed everybody there.
Barbecues are still burning as we speak. Back to you, Geraldo."
Topgun
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labgrade.....
Yep. First thing I would do is form my own "gang."
Sorta like the "Minutemen" or the "Revolutionaries" of a couple hundred years ago.
Yep. First thing I would do is form my own "gang."
Sorta like the "Minutemen" or the "Revolutionaries" of a couple hundred years ago.
labgrade
Member In Memoriam
I'm not aware that the "Minutemen" planned to "find" food ... available for looting ... Extra ammo would be "findable" in city by well planned raids."
The implication being that you would start "foraging by any means possible."
"Available for looting" .... fer shame.
Am I to assume that these hapless souls' Ladies might be also taken "for liberties" when it gets too boring during the "fight for the cause?"
The implication being that you would start "foraging by any means possible."
"Available for looting" .... fer shame.
Am I to assume that these hapless souls' Ladies might be also taken "for liberties" when it gets too boring during the "fight for the cause?"
Double Naught Spy
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A short time after 9-11, a neighbor of my folks noticed that they had not prepared a "go-box" (bugout bag, or whatever name) and felt they really needed to consider their options should the terrorists start distributing Anthrax from the air, which was the current concern and scare of the time. He explained that while they were not in the city and technically were in the country that they were too close to a city and that they needed a place to go. He showed them a map he had that was the route he was going to take from here in Texas to North Dakota or Montana (sorry, I don't remember which). His route included going through areas that did not show to have roads. Come to find out, he route included nothing larger than a state highway and he preferred farm-to-market type back roads where possible and he was avoiding any civilized area of a population of 25K or more and ideally no larger than 10K. Two days later, he and his gear were gone. Three weeks later, he returned, after he ran out of food and decided that it was safe to be home again.
Personally, if a bunch of city folks are going to try to take over Bugscuffle, Texas, my money is on the residents of Bugscuffle, unless it has been resettled by yuppies and in that case, I could not care less.
My wife's grandfather lives in such a town. He served in Korea. He happened to look out and notice that the business across the street was being burgled. The distance was about 60 yards. It was all that my wife's grandmother could do to keep him from shooting the idiot burglar while on the phone with the cops. The cops rolled up very quickly and had the situation in hand and grand-daddy took the liberty of explaining to the burglar that he had plans for the guy's head on his wall with the deer he had taken at much greater ranges. Grand-daddy is just over 80 and as recently gone with a larger caliber so that the deer are sure to drop because he doesn't like walking after them anymore. He shoots open sights, by the way.
As the song says, "...and a country boy can survive..."
Personally, if a bunch of city folks are going to try to take over Bugscuffle, Texas, my money is on the residents of Bugscuffle, unless it has been resettled by yuppies and in that case, I could not care less.
My wife's grandfather lives in such a town. He served in Korea. He happened to look out and notice that the business across the street was being burgled. The distance was about 60 yards. It was all that my wife's grandmother could do to keep him from shooting the idiot burglar while on the phone with the cops. The cops rolled up very quickly and had the situation in hand and grand-daddy took the liberty of explaining to the burglar that he had plans for the guy's head on his wall with the deer he had taken at much greater ranges. Grand-daddy is just over 80 and as recently gone with a larger caliber so that the deer are sure to drop because he doesn't like walking after them anymore. He shoots open sights, by the way.
As the song says, "...and a country boy can survive..."
Ala Dan
Member in memoriam
My choice would be to defend MY COUNTRY; HOME SWEET HOME U.S. of A.!
FootNote- In choosing my country, I can relocate to another
city; if all goes well?
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
FootNote- In choosing my country, I can relocate to another
city; if all goes well?
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Topgun
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labgrade, I admire your ethics but am amazed at your naivete.
IF....our present society were to fall apart, not only by armed catastrophe, but also by economic collapse (highly probable) are you saying you would not want a "gang" of well prepared THR members helping you and themselves to be the ones who would "survive" the initial chaos and still be together to help reestablish some civilized behavior after the wildness subsided?
Just yesterday, both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (FNM and FRE on the NYSE) took a BIG hit due to concerns that they MIGHT not be able to cover the mortgages that they are guaranteeing.
Today, they are denying that and stating that they can cover ANY eventuality. We've heard that before.
If you wish, I can send you some sites to watch to see just how close the US economy is to disaster.
If you want a "down and dirty" quickie way to determine the country's financial state, just check the value of the dollar against the Euro. The Euro started at 88 cents and is now around $1.10!
Our (YOUR) money is worth FIVE PERCENT less than it was in November. What are you getting as interest on your savings?
Did you KNOW you were working for nothing?
YES.....I will want a GANG.
IF....our present society were to fall apart, not only by armed catastrophe, but also by economic collapse (highly probable) are you saying you would not want a "gang" of well prepared THR members helping you and themselves to be the ones who would "survive" the initial chaos and still be together to help reestablish some civilized behavior after the wildness subsided?
Just yesterday, both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (FNM and FRE on the NYSE) took a BIG hit due to concerns that they MIGHT not be able to cover the mortgages that they are guaranteeing.
Today, they are denying that and stating that they can cover ANY eventuality. We've heard that before.
If you wish, I can send you some sites to watch to see just how close the US economy is to disaster.
If you want a "down and dirty" quickie way to determine the country's financial state, just check the value of the dollar against the Euro. The Euro started at 88 cents and is now around $1.10!
Our (YOUR) money is worth FIVE PERCENT less than it was in November. What are you getting as interest on your savings?
Did you KNOW you were working for nothing?
YES.....I will want a GANG.
Topgun
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bogie
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
Make friends with your neighbors. Be active in neighborhood associations, PTA organizations, neighborhood watch, etc... Walk around your neighborhood, and smile and say hello to folks (some of 'em will look at you like you're crazy... but they'll eventually come to accept you) as you pass 'em on the street. Besides, walking is good exercise.
If crap happens, you won't be isolated.
Make friends with your neighbors. Be active in neighborhood associations, PTA organizations, neighborhood watch, etc... Walk around your neighborhood, and smile and say hello to folks (some of 'em will look at you like you're crazy... but they'll eventually come to accept you) as you pass 'em on the street. Besides, walking is good exercise.
If crap happens, you won't be isolated.
Johnny Guest
Moderator In Memoriam
Topgun, with all respect--I think more likely - - -
Dateline: Bugscuffle, TX
"This sleepy little Texas town of 4,500 was in the process of cleaning up and mourning their casualties early today after some 10,000 rioters invaded two days ago. Residents suffered a loss of 26 killed and some 100 injured.
"The rioters appear to left some 1.200 dead and eleven injured when routed. The injured and both healthy prisoners have been turned over to the Department of Public Safety.
"The county sheriff and local Health Department are using Department of Transportation back hoes and bull dozers, preparing strip trenches for refuse disposal.
"Back to you, Geraldo."
Dateline: Bugscuffle, TX
"This sleepy little Texas town of 4,500 was in the process of cleaning up and mourning their casualties early today after some 10,000 rioters invaded two days ago. Residents suffered a loss of 26 killed and some 100 injured.
"The rioters appear to left some 1.200 dead and eleven injured when routed. The injured and both healthy prisoners have been turned over to the Department of Public Safety.
"The county sheriff and local Health Department are using Department of Transportation back hoes and bull dozers, preparing strip trenches for refuse disposal.
"Back to you, Geraldo."
biere
Member
I forget who mentioned it, but someone mentioned that a lot of country people probably rely on stores as much as city people. For many this is true and happens to be something I am changing for myself.
I live on several acres, one acre is a stocked and well established pond. I recently installed another large and very deep pond. The one that is already established allows me to eat fish I catch. If I keep the predator populations down the fish breed and grow and really need very little from me in my opinion. So that is one food source. Ponds also have water plants like cat tails, while I don't love a cat tail with my meal it is an edible plant and does well if the stores are empty. And of course I get some water birds now and then, I have frogs and turtles and all sorts of animals that come to drink from the pond or live close to it. Last summer I used fish from my pond at least once a week, this lowers my grocery cost and I am learning to catch and clean and cook fish. This is something that I use now to save money, in shtf it would also be useful.
A well is worth more than a pond in my opinion. It is clean drinking water, cooking water, water for watering the garden, water for watering the livestock, and since it so deep in the ground it is also cold.
I am barely able to get a garden to grow. I am learning and getting better. If you look at a lot of people in the country they have been raising gardens for decades and many of them can their extras so they can use them through the winter. Once again you eliminate the store.
I don't do it yet, but a lot of people raise chickens for eggs and meat, rabbits for meat, goats for milk and meat, cows for milk and meat, and horses for work animals and fun. I expect to be able to barter for either some eggs or milk or meat or a part of a litter that I can raise for meat. Give me enough time and I will be able to have an animal or two myself.
I personally don't think any of the extreme versions of shtf can happen. But I recently lost electricity for 4 days. Many in my area had to go to the high school gyms and stay because they could not heat or feed themselves. I try to make sure I can help myself so that others who still need help can receive it. I am not above asking for help, I just prefer to help myself first.
A tornado, hurricane, fire, being laid off, a major injury or sickness, and all sorts of things cause shtf scenerios for many people.
I feel that by being more self sufficient I can absorb future problems easier. For instance, I heat with propane and it has gone up in price a lot. A wood stove means I have to cut and split wood, but the price is my labor regardless of the cost of a barrel of oil.
In the city and suburbs it is darn hard to be self sufficient in my opinion. Only in the country do you have the space to do it and I am lucky in that my neighbors know how to do things and are willing to teach me.
And as far as the looting or stealing of supplies, I believe in an extreme shtf scenerio that people willing to steal or kill others for what they have are going to learn justice is dispenced using a short rope and a tall tree. We have a lot of trees out here in the country, and I have plenty of rope.
Not being able to go to the store would really be a hardship. But at the same time, at least I know I can provide some meat, some fish, some plants, and water for myself. Soon I will be able to heat with wood only and that will be a major plus, I will also be able to use an old wood cook stove.
I live on several acres, one acre is a stocked and well established pond. I recently installed another large and very deep pond. The one that is already established allows me to eat fish I catch. If I keep the predator populations down the fish breed and grow and really need very little from me in my opinion. So that is one food source. Ponds also have water plants like cat tails, while I don't love a cat tail with my meal it is an edible plant and does well if the stores are empty. And of course I get some water birds now and then, I have frogs and turtles and all sorts of animals that come to drink from the pond or live close to it. Last summer I used fish from my pond at least once a week, this lowers my grocery cost and I am learning to catch and clean and cook fish. This is something that I use now to save money, in shtf it would also be useful.
A well is worth more than a pond in my opinion. It is clean drinking water, cooking water, water for watering the garden, water for watering the livestock, and since it so deep in the ground it is also cold.
I am barely able to get a garden to grow. I am learning and getting better. If you look at a lot of people in the country they have been raising gardens for decades and many of them can their extras so they can use them through the winter. Once again you eliminate the store.
I don't do it yet, but a lot of people raise chickens for eggs and meat, rabbits for meat, goats for milk and meat, cows for milk and meat, and horses for work animals and fun. I expect to be able to barter for either some eggs or milk or meat or a part of a litter that I can raise for meat. Give me enough time and I will be able to have an animal or two myself.
I personally don't think any of the extreme versions of shtf can happen. But I recently lost electricity for 4 days. Many in my area had to go to the high school gyms and stay because they could not heat or feed themselves. I try to make sure I can help myself so that others who still need help can receive it. I am not above asking for help, I just prefer to help myself first.
A tornado, hurricane, fire, being laid off, a major injury or sickness, and all sorts of things cause shtf scenerios for many people.
I feel that by being more self sufficient I can absorb future problems easier. For instance, I heat with propane and it has gone up in price a lot. A wood stove means I have to cut and split wood, but the price is my labor regardless of the cost of a barrel of oil.
In the city and suburbs it is darn hard to be self sufficient in my opinion. Only in the country do you have the space to do it and I am lucky in that my neighbors know how to do things and are willing to teach me.
And as far as the looting or stealing of supplies, I believe in an extreme shtf scenerio that people willing to steal or kill others for what they have are going to learn justice is dispenced using a short rope and a tall tree. We have a lot of trees out here in the country, and I have plenty of rope.
Not being able to go to the store would really be a hardship. But at the same time, at least I know I can provide some meat, some fish, some plants, and water for myself. Soon I will be able to heat with wood only and that will be a major plus, I will also be able to use an old wood cook stove.
labgrade
Member In Memoriam
No, Topgun, I do not want a "gang" coming at me & mine, or anywhere near me.
May be that "you & yours" are a perfect match, but how would I ever know that beforehand!?
A "gang of THR-members" might be a goodly deal all told, but I'd really like to meet 'em first - some of us are crazy, no? & many don't have any skill-set I'd want in a life or death situation.
A "compliment" may well be a really good thing, but a "gang" has nothing I want living by me. Arguing symantics here maybe.
& no, I'm not "working for nothing" - The Wife is though. Strange times, huh? You have no idea regards my personal economy, BTW.
May be that "you & yours" are a perfect match, but how would I ever know that beforehand!?
A "gang of THR-members" might be a goodly deal all told, but I'd really like to meet 'em first - some of us are crazy, no? & many don't have any skill-set I'd want in a life or death situation.
A "compliment" may well be a really good thing, but a "gang" has nothing I want living by me. Arguing symantics here maybe.
& no, I'm not "working for nothing" - The Wife is though. Strange times, huh? You have no idea regards my personal economy, BTW.
SoDFW Jason
Member
For those city dwellers who chose country, I will provide my address for y'all. Just bring some grub and ammo with you(maybe some nudie mags too).
Shalako
Member
Alot of really good comments so far. I am definately leaning towards a rural community now rather than my two previously planned optioins. They were:
1.) Stay at home here in Sacramento with my organic vegetable garden. Defend property, possessions, and life from civil unrest type looters that begin as close as two structures down the street. All the other neighbors speak Russian only and I don't want to rely on engaging them for a citizens security group at this point.
2.) Head up to my hunting zone up in the El Dorado National Forest with the lil lady, two dogs, and Chevy 4x4 (and lots o guns). I've got camping gear galore, plenty of canned and dried food, water filters, radio, 0 degree bags, etc. It could be very cold or snowed in. I know the area pretty well but am certain the toothless bear hunters from Pollock Pines know the area ten times better. Hmmm.
Option 3.) of going to the foothills to a peaceable rural community is starting to sound soooo much better than 1 or 2.
Thanks!
1.) Stay at home here in Sacramento with my organic vegetable garden. Defend property, possessions, and life from civil unrest type looters that begin as close as two structures down the street. All the other neighbors speak Russian only and I don't want to rely on engaging them for a citizens security group at this point.
2.) Head up to my hunting zone up in the El Dorado National Forest with the lil lady, two dogs, and Chevy 4x4 (and lots o guns). I've got camping gear galore, plenty of canned and dried food, water filters, radio, 0 degree bags, etc. It could be very cold or snowed in. I know the area pretty well but am certain the toothless bear hunters from Pollock Pines know the area ten times better. Hmmm.
Option 3.) of going to the foothills to a peaceable rural community is starting to sound soooo much better than 1 or 2.
Thanks!
Chris Rhines
Member
Either can work, if you prepare well in advance. If you don't prepare well in advance, neither will work.
- Chris
- Chris
labgrade
Member In Memoriam
Shalako,
All I can say about bugging out to anything "public" is that you'll only provide stuff for those who are more numerous & ruthless - your food, guns, water, vehicles, children & Wife.
I see not one thing good about going to anything that would congregate "anything public." You have to figure that the barest dregs would go first to these type spots.
& therein lies a crux of our own "escape." We live not 1/4 mile away from a county park. I envision an influx of "weekend warriors" thrawling our (close enough) area if anything bad happens = "escaping to the wild." - my back door.
As is, we could survive quite nicely, but with an influx of another thousand+, we coudn't - besides the attendant bad manners they'd likely bring with them.
I lietrally have no idea.
Best plan is to ditch the road/prevent any access (& accompanied by riflemen to enforce such). We cannot allow anybody else into our area as it cannot support any extras - nor do we care to deal with any ne'er-do-wells who mayhaps "want to play games" - I'd think we'd already have enough on our hands - Sorry.
We do have an environ & would like to maintain it (except for our local bliss-ninnies who'd want to "feed 'n care for" all the "refugees" ....
Bu-bye .....
Pre-positioned, etc.
Driving the 10 miles to the "airport" may be quite the trick - we'll see.
All I can say about bugging out to anything "public" is that you'll only provide stuff for those who are more numerous & ruthless - your food, guns, water, vehicles, children & Wife.
I see not one thing good about going to anything that would congregate "anything public." You have to figure that the barest dregs would go first to these type spots.
& therein lies a crux of our own "escape." We live not 1/4 mile away from a county park. I envision an influx of "weekend warriors" thrawling our (close enough) area if anything bad happens = "escaping to the wild." - my back door.
As is, we could survive quite nicely, but with an influx of another thousand+, we coudn't - besides the attendant bad manners they'd likely bring with them.
I lietrally have no idea.
Best plan is to ditch the road/prevent any access (& accompanied by riflemen to enforce such). We cannot allow anybody else into our area as it cannot support any extras - nor do we care to deal with any ne'er-do-wells who mayhaps "want to play games" - I'd think we'd already have enough on our hands - Sorry.
We do have an environ & would like to maintain it (except for our local bliss-ninnies who'd want to "feed 'n care for" all the "refugees" ....
Bu-bye .....
Pre-positioned, etc.
Driving the 10 miles to the "airport" may be quite the trick - we'll see.
Well I used to live out in the middle of nowhere, but the city keeps movin closer. And suddenly it aint so safer here anymore, things gettin stolen, all kinds of stuff.
But I'll stick where I am or go farther out should somethin truly bad happen. At my house, or barn your lookin at coverin at least 150 yards of open ground, to get to me, while I have cover and am watchin for you.
I can step out on either front or back porch and see deer fairly often, so food is pretty good. Not to mention the garden in the summer. Fire place, for heating/cooking. Have a well so I have water.
And should things get so bad that I decide to leave home an go into deep hiding, I've got my choice of ten horses, 2 pickem up trucks, or a tractor to head for the hills with. I can ride a horse and lead a pack horse places you'd never get in a truck, or SUV, or even on an ATV really. And your shore not going to keep up on foot.
I think that a major point here is that you have to be comfortable in your situation, and know what to do wherever you are. If you've live in the city your whole life and don't have any experience bein outdoors, slippin through the woods, or any of that sort of thing, you'd better not come out here. There's some skills that you don't just get from readin about it, like the ability to look out across a 100 acre field or through the woods and notice that something is out of place.
But I'll stick where I am or go farther out should somethin truly bad happen. At my house, or barn your lookin at coverin at least 150 yards of open ground, to get to me, while I have cover and am watchin for you.
I can step out on either front or back porch and see deer fairly often, so food is pretty good. Not to mention the garden in the summer. Fire place, for heating/cooking. Have a well so I have water.
And should things get so bad that I decide to leave home an go into deep hiding, I've got my choice of ten horses, 2 pickem up trucks, or a tractor to head for the hills with. I can ride a horse and lead a pack horse places you'd never get in a truck, or SUV, or even on an ATV really. And your shore not going to keep up on foot.
I think that a major point here is that you have to be comfortable in your situation, and know what to do wherever you are. If you've live in the city your whole life and don't have any experience bein outdoors, slippin through the woods, or any of that sort of thing, you'd better not come out here. There's some skills that you don't just get from readin about it, like the ability to look out across a 100 acre field or through the woods and notice that something is out of place.
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