clip questions

[Sir_William1]

Dam walkalong you even say it yourself there Freon is a gas. the only funny thing is the numbers, in the past R12 was used in cars, and R22 in homes, they changed R12 to R134a, but not sure whats in home units, I don't play indoors.

 

[Walkalong]

You got it right that time. (except for throwing in ammonia in the freon system) You did not word it carefully the first time.

Freon is a fliud that produces gas when its heated up, as the gas heats up it rises up causing a cooling effect, throgh evaperation

The freon does not produce gas when it is "heated up". It is forced to evaporate (turn to gas) mechanically, which causes it to draw in heat.

The pressure change in the evaporator, is where ambient temperature freon at higher pressure, is forced by the cap tubes, or fixed orifice, or expansion valve, to change to a gaseous state. (by lowering its pressure). Because of the forced evaporation, the freon takes in heat from its surroundings (the coil/ air moving through the coil), & carries it to the condenser, where the airflow across the coils cools it by drawing the heat out.

Then it goes around again.

I am having fun with this. If you are not, let me know and I'll quit. It's only fun to me.

 

[Sir_William1]

lol well My first post on the subject was just off the top of my head from years of charging cars, and Tractors, the second Long Version is copied and pasted from Google, It was something like "how a Refriderator works" but all in all the facts remand the same all AC units use some type of Gas to make them work as intended, I also noted that I thought it funny that the report from google mentioned R134a in homes, I never herd that, But can tell you R134a is what replaced R12, sdaly I ran out of all my R12 about 7 years ago and had to change everthing over to R134a, which sucks compared to 12.

yeah its all good an all I'm just setting around the home Bored to death, No Brass to load and nothing on the boobtube, AKA TV.

 

[Walkalong]

I have never seen 134A in homes either. I still have some 12 in an old "two way" jug. There are so many new freons it is hard to keep track. Mostly it used to just be 22 for cooling in homes, 12 for cooling in cars, and 502 for flash freezers. (like -50 to -60 degree stuff-burrrrr)

I thought it funny that the report from google mentioned R134a in homes

Hmmm...If they had that part wrong....

 

[Sir_William1]

well in my opinion that was wrong on their part, Can't Beleive everything yo read in the web world, But from what I do know about A/C for the most part it was correct, My guess is he had a few typos, lord knowa I have plenty of them.

 

[REAPER4206969]

I can only assume someone such as yourself who would denounce 100s of thousands if not millions of lifelong firearms users as "uneducated simpletons" because they use the term clip must be the most knowledgeable firearm person on Earth.

If some one is so arrogant and willfully ignorant that they refuse to learn the proper name of a common firearm component, why should I believe they know anything else about them?

 

[General Geoff]

Magazine and clip are not interchangeable, in the same way that wheel and tire are not interchangeable.


If someone told me they got a flat wheel on the highway, I'd look at them funny and politely correct them. Same with calling a magazine a clip. I'd do the same if they called a clip a magazine.

 

[Sport45]

There are many refrigerants. Any compound that is in a liquid state at one pressure and temperature but a vapor state at another pressure and temperature can be (and probably has been) used as a refrigerant.

Propane (R-290) is commonly used to chill natural gas streams in processing plants. It has been tried unsuccessfully as a replacement for R-12 (Freon is the DuPont registered name for this) in automotive applications. It worked, but the fires weren't a good thing. Ammonia (R-717) was used more in the 50's and 60's in office air conditioning units and has been used in gas (natural) or propane refrigerators. Ammonia can be used in it's pure state, but is more commonly seen in aqueous systems as kind of described above. I can tell you that strong-aqua ammonia is NOT something you want to get on you.

Click here for a list of many refrigerants.

So to kind of keep this on topic (if not the original topic), calling the stuff in your refrigerator or car A/C system "Freon" is no different than calling a magazine a "clip". And I suppose it's no worse than calling a facial tissue a "Kleenex", an adjustable wrench a "Crescent", or expanding slip joint pliers "Channel-Locks". There are many instances in our language where the improper term is perfectly acceptable.

 

[Sport45]

If someone told me they had a flat wheel on the highway, I'd look at them funny and correct them. Same with calling a magazine a clip. I'd do the same if they called a clip a magazine.

But do you change your tire? Or do you change the wheel too?

What are we supposed to call a tire/wheel combination anyway?

 

[General Geoff]

I call the tire/wheel combination, a wheel/tire assembly.

You change a tire. The changing of the wheel is inconsequential and assumed when changing a tire, unless you're getting new tires mounted on your wheels at a shop, or if you're replacing the tube on a bicycle.


The interchangeable usage of clip vs magazine can lead to confusion, depending on the firearms and loading procedures being discussed. That's why it's best to ingrain folks with the proper terminology, so that possible confusion is avoided.

 

[CWL]

Go ahead an misuse words all you want. I don't care.

But when you try to push a belief that improper English somehow becomes acceptable if it is used enough, is pure ignorance. Rather than learning proper use, you want to bend the language to accept your mistakes...

BTW, I didn't hire the person who "axed" me a question during his interview, no one like that will represent me or my company. Base pay for that position is $75k + bonus.

 

[Sport45]

BTW, I didn't hire the person who "axed" me a question during his interview, no one like that will represent me or my company. Base pay is $75k + bonus.

That isn't always a show of ignorance. I'm proud to have known a very sharp man that "axed" questions. And he couldn't pronounce "Buick" correctly to save his soul. But he was well educated, a great problem solver, and very much an asset to our work group.

 

[CWL]

Not being able to pronounce a word is different than ignorance, I completely agree. However, when you work with and manage enough people, you can tell the difference between ignorance and competence. Competent people can and will learn, while the ignorant blame others for their shortcomings.

 

[Sport45]

You are correct there. I just wanted to make sure this didn't turn into racial stereotyping.

Where I came from when you are axed a question or offered a ride in a Brewrick it showed where someone was raised, and was sometimes used to poke fun. It did not indicate what they had become.

 

[Ruggles]

"If some one is so arrogant and willfully ignorant that they refuse to learn the proper name of a common firearm component, why should I believe they know anything else about them?"

Come on down to south Tejas and tell some of these boys they don't know anything about firearms because they use the word clip. Then watch them shoot circles around you with those rifles they know nothing about.

 

[Ruggles]

"Go ahead an misuse words all you want. I don't care.

But when you try to push a belief that improper English somehow becomes acceptable if it is used enough, is pure ignorance. Rather than learning proper use, you want to bend the language to accept your mistakes..."


The English language is constantly changing, it is not spoken now as it was 100, 200 or 300 years ago. It will not be the same in 50 years from now. To not accept that as a natural evolution of the language is showing an ignorance of historical facts.

 

[Mal H]

When the topic has shifted to cryogenics and comments become very personal we always know that's the time to shut it down.

Closed.