Grump
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Safety wipe-off is exactly why I strongly recommend AGAINST Mexican carry for any cocked & locked pistol...especially if for more than 5 minutes.
Cocked and Locked Becomes Unlocked
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Tourist,
I do understand and appreciate the skill of a god gunsmith and no doubt yours does excellent work. I was just pointing out that even though he enhanced the positive locking of your safety they still come serviceable from the factory. I like to handle any finely crafted firearm, especially those that have had the magic of a fine gunsmith worked on them.
Back to the topic, a safety being mechanical device is subject to malfunction. Rule numero one, don't put all your faith in it. Your finger is the only safety device you can fully trust.
Snaps on holsters are fine for those who chooses them, but unless the sear trips a handgun will not fire. Holsters with covered trigger guards are the best option at preventing this.
All the various actions used in handguns today are safe as long as you adhere to the recommended safe handling of them. Training accomplishes this task. Those who chooses not to train for the use of a single action pistol that has manual safeties shouldn't use them, but more importantly they shouldn't be telling others not to use theirs.
What a lot of people call a modern design is nothing more than a variation of a design that has been well proven in the past. It just comes in a different package today. Features may be moved to different locations, materials used may be different, but the basic design is still the same as it has been since the early part of the last century.
I do understand and appreciate the skill of a god gunsmith and no doubt yours does excellent work. I was just pointing out that even though he enhanced the positive locking of your safety they still come serviceable from the factory. I like to handle any finely crafted firearm, especially those that have had the magic of a fine gunsmith worked on them.
Back to the topic, a safety being mechanical device is subject to malfunction. Rule numero one, don't put all your faith in it. Your finger is the only safety device you can fully trust.
Snaps on holsters are fine for those who chooses them, but unless the sear trips a handgun will not fire. Holsters with covered trigger guards are the best option at preventing this.
All the various actions used in handguns today are safe as long as you adhere to the recommended safe handling of them. Training accomplishes this task. Those who chooses not to train for the use of a single action pistol that has manual safeties shouldn't use them, but more importantly they shouldn't be telling others not to use theirs.
What a lot of people call a modern design is nothing more than a variation of a design that has been well proven in the past. It just comes in a different package today. Features may be moved to different locations, materials used may be different, but the basic design is still the same as it has been since the early part of the last century.
Mr. Mysterious
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Mexican carry?
Sean Smith
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Put another way, "I'm too dumb to push down a lever, I'll take a Glock please!"
I say that as a onetime Glock owner.
BluesBear
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In my not so humble opinion Cocked & Locked is much, much safer and far more preferable to Cocked & Glocked.
Mr. Mysterious
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People actually carry a gun in their waistband without a holster? That is sure scary.
Grayrider
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Yes they do--even those who should know better. I had an aquantance years ago that was a retired St. Louis PD officer. He told me he had done that for quite some time off duty with his revolver, until one night he stopped at a convenience store on the way home and when he walked up to the counter his gun slid down his pants leg and went clatter, clatter across the floor. Needless to say the cashier was a bit frightened until my friend was able to produce his badge.
I will stick to a holster thank you.
GR
I will stick to a holster thank you.
GR
Abominable No-Man
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I haven't carried a 1911 cocked and locked for CCW before, but I know people who have and do. With a proper holster, the safety won't come off by itself, unless the safety is excessively worn or improperly fitted (I have seen old gov't issue 1911's that rattled when shook, and I have actually seen one REALLY tired example discharge with the safety on).
I agree with what was said about "Mexican carry". Get a holster.
ANM
I agree with what was said about "Mexican carry". Get a holster.
ANM
Marshall
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I have no problem with cocked and locked! However, until you strap an XD to your side, it's hard to appreciate the feeling of safety and ready to fire, so to speak. Hard to describe but, it's a good feeling.
What makes the XD unique? There have been other designs that have utilized the same technique in the past. S&W and the "Lemon Squeezer" revolver and H&K had the "Squeeze Cocker" pistol. There's not much offered on a handgun today that haven't been pioneered in the past.
Sean Smith
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Actually, the XD just has a grip safety, like a 1911, but with a light trigger pull and no manual safety.
Tamara
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I CCW a 1911 every day in a holster with no snap. Some of these guns have (*gasp!*) ambidextrous thumb safeties. So far, I have yet to find one off safe.
The fourth word in your thread reveals your problem, "Star". One of our officers had his Star in a shoulder holster. Somehow, the snap came loose and it fell to the concrete floor. The round missed him by a fraction of an inch, went thru the wall, missing me in the next room by inches and lodged in a 4x4 beam in part of the 'old' jail. He traded it in on a Colt the next day. I just don't trust a Star.
I guess it would scare half of you guys here to death to learn that I pinned the thumb safety on my 1911's... yup, I carried it cocked & unlocked with a chambered round. No fear, I still had the grip safety, a good holster that covered the trigger guard & most importantly, the safety between my ears.
I also carry my CZ75B this way...
Haven’t shot myself with any of them.
I hate manual safeties & prefer my trigger pulls to be the same from start to finish. I also like my defense triggers to be a MAX of 4.5 pounds.
I also carry my CZ75B this way...
Haven’t shot myself with any of them.
I hate manual safeties & prefer my trigger pulls to be the same from start to finish. I also like my defense triggers to be a MAX of 4.5 pounds.
Marshall
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It should have read "an XD type". I need to proof better.
In addition to the grip safety you also have the trigger safety, not all have both.
Sean Smith
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Yeah, the trigger safety is REALLY useful...
BluesBear
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Well you said it best... YUP.
Actually, were I unfortunate enough to find myself around someone reckless enough to intentionally carry a 1911 pattern pistol cocked & unlocked, being scared to death would not be one of my major concerns.
Strings
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funny... I've only ever seen two pistols "accidentlly" off safety: one was my Beretta 92, when in use with a thumb-break holster (snapping the thumbbreak would hit the right side safety) and my mother's old Colt Mustang (that thing's safety REALLY wasn't all that good... seemed to come off at random)...
I've got an AKJ for my BHP and am a convert. I like AKJ CONCEALCO line of holsters because they offer a "Sparks-like" VM2 or WatchSix-type holster with a thumbbreak and a snugger-fitting loop setup for less money. In fact, I'm about ready to dump my WS whenever my AKJ (in 1911 configuration) arrives.
Running, jumping, crawling under the truck, I don't worry about the gun coming out.
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