COLORADO: Further restrictions on CCW proposed!

[230RN]

A heads up. If this's been posted before, I pray forgiveness.

http://www.thedenverdailynews.com/?page=details&id=4510




Monday, January 8 2007


DUIs, guns, energy top Dem agenda
By PETER MARCUS - January 7, 2007
As Colorado’s Democratic leadership prepares for the start of the 66th General Assembly Wednesday — looking forward to working with a Democratic governor — bills are already surfacing that might require people convicted of a DUI to install a Breathalyzer device in their car, and legislation that would toughen concealed weapons permit registration, as well as increase energy standards, and lower the school start age to 6-years-old.

Governor-elect Bill Ritter has promised to work with Republicans on bipartisan legislation after he is sworn into office tomorrow, as has House Speaker Andrew Romanoff, D-Denver, and Senate President Joan Fitz-Gerald, D-Coal Creek Canyon.

In fact, Romanoff said there is no reason why the Republicans shouldn’t be able to pass legislation of their own.

“If you have a good idea, you will be very successful,” he told the Denver Daily News Thursday. “Even if you’re in the minority party. We’re trying to shatter the illusion that some folks created, that one party is in control and that only one party gets to enact legislation.”

As for the Democrats agenda — it will focus on education, health and public safety, with an emphasis on renewable energy and the environment.

...SNIP...

Public Safety

...SNIP...

Other such public safety legislation said to be introduced, is a bill that would toughen the application process for concealed weapons permits. The legislation is expected to be introduced by Sen. John Morse, D-Colorado Springs.

“There are some states that grant concealed weapons permits via mail,” read the statement sent by the Senate majority leadership. “These states do not have our same high standards for issuing permits, nor provide an ability to prevent ineligible applicants from receiving a permit. This bill fixes that loophole.”...SNIP...
#33

 

[LAR-15]

High standards?

I bet they'd freak at Vermont's standards

 

[Justin]

Morse, John P.
District: 11
County: El Paso
Party: D
Cap: 303-866-6364
E-mail: [email protected]

 

[The Cavalry]

Ah yes, another "loophole" the Dems have found...

 

[Zundfolge]

So how long until Ritter tries to push Denver's AWB statewide?

 

[larry_minn]

I sent him what I consider a polite letter with a few questions.


Senator Morse:
I was just reading some new laws proposed in Colorado. First I must admit I live in Minnesota but my wife and her family hail from Colorad so I spend some time over there. I rather enjoy the state and going up in mountains (basicly everything out of Denver) In any case I read you may no longer allow folks from out of state to Carry a concealed method of self defense....
MIght I ask why? Have there been mass assults by folks who have spent the time and money to have their background checked, take training classes, and fingerprints/photos/etc? I always understood that as a group, folks who get a permit are among the most law abiding folk around.
For the MN permit we have to take a class, pass a background test as well as demonstrate safe operation of a firearm (and ability to not only hit a target but decide when not to shoot) Plus IF I recall correctly a 4 hr additional section for Colorado, Utah and a couple other states laws.
In closing I hope you reconsider not accepting other states permit holders as legal in your state. It has always bothered me that WI does not trust me with a firearm but last time I counted 20+ other states do.
Thank you for your time. Hope the snow has not been to heavy in your home area. I was NE of Denver over Christmas to New Yrs. Shoveled a lot of snow. Next time I may bring my skid loader.

xxxxxx xxxxxxx

 

[dave_pro2a]

quote from article "lower the school start age to 6-years-old."

Yes, start indocrinating them young enough, via public school, and you will end up with excellent participants in the "narc on your neighboor" program when they are adults.

Sorry Colorado, sad times ahead.

 

[Justin]

So how long until Ritter tries to push Denver's AWB statewide?

They're champing at the bit, but my guess is that the dems are waiting for another high-profile bloodbath in a victim disarmament zone.

 

[Standing Wolf]

They're chomping at the bit, but my guess...

Champing, not chomping.

Well, actually, considering we're discussing leftist extremists, I believe it would probably be more accurate to say they're slavering.

 

[230RN]

Standing Wolk said,

Well, actually, considering we're discussing leftist extremists, I believe it would probably be more accurate to say they're slavering.

Very punny.

Oh, and thanks for using the term "leftist extremists" rather than "liberals."

 

[Standing Wolf]

Oh, and thanks for using the term "leftist extremists" rather than "liberals."

You're welcome.

 

[Soybomb]

So what problem is this actually fixing? Surely there is a demonstrated and not imagined problem....

 

[Zundfolge]

So what problem is this actually fixing?

Its a Fascist pig reminding us proles that we have no rights, only privileges, and only at his whim.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

Its a Fascist pig reminding us proles that we have no rights, only privileges, and only at his whim.

Wait, is he a Fascist, or a commie....I just so confused these days

 

[Justin]

Have dispatched an email to the "honorable" Mr. Morse in the hope that he'll clarify his proposed bill.

 

[Justin]

Have received a response:

Thank you for your e-mail. My bill will simply require that Colorado
residents have a Colorado CCW permit. Residents from out of state will
still have complete reciprocity. The only change is that you, as a Colorado
resident, will not be able to rely upon a Florida (or any other state)
permit here in Colorado. If you are a Colorado resident, please have a
Colorado permit, if you are a Florida resident here for business or
pleasure, your Florida permit is good the entire time you are in Colorado.
I hope that clarifies my proposition. I would appreciate it if you would
circulate this to whoever is circulating the erroneous information. Thank
you for your attention, and I am sincerely yours,

Senator-Elect John P. Morse

State Capitol Building
Room 332
Denver, CO 80203
(303) 866-6364
[email protected]

So, let me get this straight:

1) This means that if you move to Colorado from out-of-state and establish residence, you have the choice of either being disarmed, or being a criminal under the law until you jump through the hoops to get a Colorado CCW permit.

2) I note that he makes no mention of exempting those who received a carry permit in a state with equal or more stringent permit qualifications, such as New York or California.

3) This is a law that would likely apply to only a handful of Colorado residents, yet I am unaware of any incident where a Colorado resident with an out-of-state permit negligently shot someone as a result of the "inferior" permit requirements from another state.

4) In light of point number 3, I can only assume that this is meant to be a big giant aimed squarely at the Colorado gun culture. But then, perhaps I'm just a tad bit cynical.

 

[Soybomb]

The hypothetical example I've seen to justify that is that if a CO resident is not qualified for a CO permit but they do for another state (IE: disqualified for DUI under circumstances that colorado would not allow but FL would issue a permit under). I'd like to read a draft of his bill though.

If there have been no problems I would tend to think that perhaps colorado's standard is higher than it needs to be, but I guess lowering the requirements for a ccw won't go over well.

 

[Zundfolge]

Wait, is he a Fascist, or a commie....

tow-may-tow, tow-mah-tow



The problem I have with this bill is that its a solution in search of a problem.

Is there a rash of Colorado residents with out of state permits commiting crimes with concealed guns?

All this is is a waste of taxpayer time and money in an attempt to "solve" a non-problem and at the same time throttle us proles that DARE think we have a right to do anything.

“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”
-Groucho Marx

 

[Justin]

All this is is a waste of taxpayer time and money in an attempt to "solve" a non-problem and at the same time throttle us proles that DARE think we have a right to do anything.

Seems to me you missed out on a good chance to post your sig line.

 

[The-Fly]

I actually can explain the story on this one. I am a member of CSSA (colorado state shooting association ) and at the last crossroads show, our president Tony Fabian was there. I asked him what definite anti gun bills were coming for sure, and he said at this point there are two.

The sheriff's association is the big backer behind these two possible laws.

1. If you live in Colorado, you must have a Colorado ccw. State residents would be forbidden from carrying on an out of state permit like Utah or Florida. Visitors with out of state permits would still be fine. This is due to some idiot being denied for a CO permit and then getting a FL permit, going back to the CO sheriff and rubbing it in the sheriff's face.

2. The current database of ccw holders would be made permanent. Currently by law its set to expire in 2008.

Tony feels that Ritter will be cautious in making any big gun grabs (ala AWB bans), as gun grabbing is a good way to lose LOTS of future votes, and Ritter is hungry for a second term. Tony recommends to everyone to keep an eye on things, and wait a few weeks to see what else gets proposed in the State House.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Georgia already has what is being proposed in Colorado. If you are a GA resident, you MUST have a GA license to carry here.

 

[Liberal Gun Nut]

There's nothing wrong with this type of change. It is totally standard in all the states with CCW and is basically an oversight / mistake if Colorado lets CO residents carry in CO with non-res permits from other states. TX honors non-res permits for non-residents but TX residents must get a TX permit! Same with most / all of them, and it's perfectly reasonable.

 

[WinchesterAA]

weeeel, LGN.. "Perfectly reasonable" in the current sense.. but the whole thing kinda sucks TBH. Permits and all...

 

[Liberal Gun Nut]

It's standard in all the big shall-issue states, like TX, FL and probably most others. It's similar to the situation with DLs: if you're a resident of State X, you need a DL from State X. Fighting against this type of thing is ridiculous.

What Coloradoans should be fighting against would be some kind of CO AWB. That's real, meaningful, and bad.

 

[DouglasW]

There's nothing wrong with this type of change. It is totally standard in all the states with CCW and is basically an oversight / mistake if Colorado lets CO residents carry in CO with non-res permits from other states. TX honors non-res permits for non-residents but TX residents must get a TX permit! Same with most / all of them, and it's perfectly reasonable.

I beg to differ. Living in Denver, I take certain comfort in knowing that I also have a second permit from another state that allows me (for now) to carry in Colorado. That way, if Denver is ever successful in legally over-turning the shall-issue provision or in exercising their home-rule authority and negating existing CCW permits...I would still be good-to-go in the rest of free Colorado.

Just something to think about...