Colt-made 1st, 2nd and 3rd Mdl Gen Dragoons...

[barneyrw]

Here's the link on the history of 2nd & 3rd Model Colt Percussion Revolvers:

https://www.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPHistoryOfColtBlack.pdf

 

[Oyeboten]

Thanks so much everyone!


I have arranged a purchase for a 2nd Generation Colt-made Dragoon.


Your various mentions and insights, knowledge, and indulgence of my questions have been very much appreciated.


Possibly, one of us could start an 'Official' Dragoon Thread, where specific Dragoon related discussions may continue?


Best wishes all...



Phil
Las Vegas

 

[Smokin_Gun]

Congrads on the2nd Gen Colt Made Dragoon Oyeboten... I got the Colt Sig 1st Model Dragoon never ave I regrated getting it.
It looks like you may just have started that Dragoon Thread.

 

[Oyeboten]

Thanks Smokin_Gun..!



Say...a question for everyone - What seems to be the correct Bullet Diameter , and also, maximum Weight, if one wishes to shoot other than 'Ball' Bullets in a Colt 2nd Generation Dragoon?

 

[madcratebuilder]

Say...a question for everyone - What seems to be the correct Bullet Diameter , and also, maximum Weight, if one wishes to shoot other than 'Ball' Bullets in a Colt 2nd Generation Dragoon?

Colt recommended a .457 RB or conical for the Dragoon over 35-40 grains FFFg (37 gr recommended) #11 caps

 

[Oyeboten]

Would a 165 Grn Bullet be alright, far as you know? so long as it were .457-ish?


The Conicals of the period I recall seeing, seemed to be rather light and stubby...surely, heftier ones, and or Hollow-Base ones, were used also?


Which I s'pose brings us to whether any one can relay or supply a link for Ballistics Tables, for the Dragoons, or kindred, showing various Bullet kinds and weights, on various grns of Powder...and, their fps..?


Phil
Las V

 

[Smokin_Gun]

I was shootin' 255gr round nose in my Dragoon with or with out the .45 Colt Conversion Cylinder over 35gr of fffg BLack Powder.

 

[Oyeboten]

Hi Smokin Gun,



Well...that sounds fairly Healthy..!


Been looking at old Moulds...brooding and wondering in these questions.


Thanks!



Phil
Las Vegas

 

[messerist]

Don't forget the "drool bucket!" Perusing these threads one may be struck unexpectedly with droolitis, requiring a large bucket or towel to catch the drool. Once you get a revolver all hope is lost and the drool flows!

 

[Oyeboten]

Does anyone have any links to Ballistic's information on .44 Dragoons?


FPS with such-and-such a Bullet weight and grns Powder? And so on?


Anyone here Chrono'd theirs?

 

[arcticap]

Handguns February 1998
Cap and Ball Wound Ballistics

Calibre - 0.44
Firearm - 1848 Dragoon
Bullet - 141gr RB
FFFg - 50gr
Velocity - 1181 fps
Energy - 437 ft lb
1 Shot Stop - 85%

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255957&highlight=45-70&page=2

 

[arcticap]

Note: Swiss fffg

Posted by mec:

Buffalo Revolver Bullets

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=385852&page=2

 

[Oyeboten]

Hi articap,



Ye'd said -

Calibre - 0.44
Firearm - 1848 Dragoon
Bullet - 141gr RB
FFFg - 50gr
Velocity - 1181 fps
Energy - 437 ft lb
1 Shot Stop - 85%

Yeowie...


Yes..."1 shot stop" would seem probable...


I figured these to be no slouch...


Thanks for the info..!


Phil
l v

 

[Oyeboten]

Very nice...and nice Shooting there!


fps and energy figures, likewise...


Thank you!


Lovely Dragoon, too!



Phil

 

[Oyeboten]

What is a good source for 'good' Powder?


Swiss FFFg for example?

 

[messerist]

Powder Inc. will ship in 5lb lotshttp://powderinc.com

 

[Oyeboten]

Thanks messerist..!


I'll give them a buzz...


No one locally carries BP anymore.




Phil
l v

 

[rcw3rd]

3D Model Dragoon

I inherited a beautiful gun that is still in the original box, and has never been fired. It also has a wooden case from Colt with other items in it. I am curious as to the value of this piece and any information if anyone can help. The following info is on the box.

6-10-4

model C-1770

Serial# 22097 ( stamped 4 times on the gun)

Finish Blue

Barrel length 7 1/2"

Caliber .44

Thanks for the help....

 

[Fingers McGee]

model C-1770

Serial# 22097 ( stamped 4 times on the gun)

Finish Blue

Barrel length 7 1/2"

Caliber .44

C Series 3rd Model Dragoon; Mfg 1976. You'll find that the SN is stamped 7 times on it. Barrel, Frame, Cylinder, BS (only last 4 digits), TG, Wedge, & Arbor.

Value:

Pistol: NIB - $750 98% - $550
Case: Early C series case, Lined in Colt Blue with Colt logo pressed into lower right corner of the lid - 100% - $200
Late C Series Case lined in Colt Blue with Colt medallion inlet in lower right corner of lid - 100% - $175
F Series case lined in Tyrol Red with medallion - 100% - $250
Accessory Set - 100% - $300

 

[madcratebuilder]

C1770, 3rd model Dragoon, 3,899 made. NIB $750, 100% $650 98% $550. The accessory set is $425 for 100%. Typical Colt case is $200, some are higher.

 

[madcratebuilder]

Well, we agreed on everything but the accessory set. My $425 was for Colt #W5098

 

[rcw3rd]

Thanks for the information fellas. Don't know whether to take it out and fire it, or keep it in the condition it is in.

 

[Fingers McGee]

Quote MCB:

Well, we agreed on everything but the accessory set. My $425 was for Colt #W5098

You've probably got Price Guide #5. I'm still working on #4. 5 is on order.

Quote RCW3rd:

Thanks for the information fellas. Don't know whether to take it out and fire it, or keep it in the condition it is in.

By all means, shoot it . It'll make the value of my NIB one go up

Seriously. Shooting it will devalue it to a degree; but it will still be worth more than an Italian marked repo. Kept unfired, the value will only increase over time.

 

[madcratebuilder]

It can be a quandary, to shoot or not to shoot. I'm split about 50/50. Half my Colts are shooters and the other have not been shot....yet.

 

[Oyeboten]

Presently...for me, it's 100 % non-shooters 'Dragoon' wise...being I have ( only? ) one...and it's a Safe Prince.


I'm looking for one I would feel alright to be shooting, and then, it'll be "50/50"


Lol...


Darn it, I DID find one too, Colt, 2nd Generation, 3rd Model, non-letter-prefix #...maybe shot once...no box and papers, $400.00 and I was too slow off-the-dime, and I missed it...


Ouch...


...pout...