Communistic States of America

[johnster999]

What we have to remember is than in each anti-gun state, there is a large minority of pro-gun folks that are fighting for their rights.

 

[geekWithA.45]

I feel like many posters from "freer" states take a goodly amount of joy rubbing salt in the wounds of me and my fellow Bay Staters.

When I was a 2nd class citizen in NJ, I never particularly felt that way about what folks said here, but I can understand how some would.

I think, to a large extent, that the head shaking, tongue wagging, invitations to move, and so on coming from guys in free states is a product of exasperation, frustration, and helplessness, and any joy taken in it is in the spirit of "there but for the grace of Zoroaster go I".

At the end of the day, there's simply not a whole lot we can DO to help the guys behind the lines. Heck, the guys behind the lines can't even do much to help themselves, EVEN IF they were all organized and marching in the same direction.

Guys behind the lines can't exist in a state of annoyance forever, and so they have to make peace with their situation somehow, and that's where the fault line comes up: guys in the free states who cherish their rights find it hard to understand those who've been forced to accomodate a lesser station.

 

[outofbattery]

I'm a Southerner that chooses to live in MA.Why would I bear the smugness of liberals,winter,a high cost of living,high taxes and oppressive gun laws? It's simple: I like it here.The fishing is great,surfing decent,sailing is good,the quality of life is none too shabby and contrary to what some might believe,there isn't a crowd on "anti's" knocking at my door to take my guns.In fact,the newspaper ran a 4X6" photo of the winner of the rod and gun club pistol championship, 6" M66 in hand, and the ratio of " congratulations/saw your picture in the paper!'s" to letters to the editors about banning guns and snide remarks in person ran about 85:0.I won't mention whose picture it might be The MA AWB makes life no more unliveable than it was nationwide during the AWB and while it'd be nice to have a greater variety of pistols to choose from,I'm not poorly armed.It took me less time and $ to get my LTC than it takes many in "gun friendly" states and I don't have to be limited to what's listed on my permit,am able to carry in any restaurant or bank and have never seen a single business that bars carry.I have more actual freedom to carry a handgun here than any non-LEO Texan and that's just a fact.However,what's more important to me is that there is very little likelihood that I'd need it.I made the decision to leave North Carolina after in the course of 3 years, my home had been broken into once,my car twice and I had been assaulted by a group of teenage urban hoods and had the whack-job neighbor of my mother's come to the house with a deer rifle after I stopped him from beating down his wife in my mom's back yard.Violent crime here is virtually non-existent and I'm very thankful of that,though it has everything to do with the nature of the island vs any laws.I shoot at least twice a week and other than the inevitable pangs for sunlight and warmth that happen in mid-Winter,enjoy living here quite a bit.As a testament to the average intelligence of liberals,most of them think handguns and "assault rifles" like entirely legal to own AR-15's are banned...that doesn't bother me in the least as it quiets the need for more gun control. Unfortunately,out next governor is wanting to do something about the guns used in crimes in Boston by giving us residents more restrictions-even though the AG has said repeatedly that the guns used aren't coming from MA.There's no way to stop the illegal gun trade in it's entirety but it does bother me that I've seen people from states such as GA and NH chuckle about it,as if it's a reason to be proud that

 

[vynx]

I live here in California --- yes I occasionally spell it with a K. because I get so frustarted with how many blissninny sheeple there are here!

My God, whatever the latest fad, trend or rumor is way to many people take it like fact.
Its the land of fruits, nuts and even the weathers a little queer! Old joke.

Many Californians are firearm friendly - unfortunately the MEDIA and the people/organizations with MONEY are not. I think Cal. is better than Massachusetts or NY City by far ... and I think things are getting better here but its a slippery slope and if the wrong, to far left liberal, (think Jerry Brown) gets elected they will make an issue out of firearms - these kind of politicians don't care about right or wrong about civil rights or inalienable rights or the constitution all they care about is political power and how much of the tax revenue they can control & spend.

Right now Jerry Brown is bringing up ".50 caliber assault weapons/ammo" every time he gets his face in the news - he carries around a big cartridge (I don't even know if its a .50 but its about 6 inches long) and holds it up smearing his opponent by saying so and so wants to legalize "assault weapons" and for some reason the guy doesn't speak up and say "Jerry your a damn liar thats just a big bullet - no civilian in Cal. has ever been hurt by one!" Better yet OK Jerry you liar name 1 person assaulted by that!

The fact is Jerry is the mayor of Oakland and has been ineffective but then reality doesn't enter into the picture. When anyone brings up his record Jerry ignores the comments, holds up the big bullet and says I will not let these assualt weapons in California! And this guy will probably get elected too!

It is frustrating so go ahead and call it California - I can understand but don't give me that collective guilt bull - that is just WRONG!

 

[ReidWrench]

HEY HARLEY

When I see someone spell out Kommiefornya , Klinturd , or Democrat I subliminaly get a bad first impression of the fellow , which may or may not be correct . So I try not to do it .

Just a friendly observation and the requisite ribbing ..... you might oughtta change the local under your handle from North Kali . to North Cali . The K is a Kommie slur .

 

[SoCalShooter]

Vynx I absolutely agree its only a small majority of this state with all the power and money *cough* hollywood and several others *cough* are the real problem. Most people I ever run into and talk to about firearms are very open to it and really dont know much at all about the gun laws of this state and the oppression of the 2A rights we have. I get a good feeling when I convince them to vote to keep our rights, but I am only one person.


If they want to take my guns. Then I want this.

1. No vehicle can operate faster than 70mph
2. NO vehicle can get gas mileage worse than 40mpg
3. Police are not allowed to have guns
4. All fast food restraunts will have to close
5. No smoking anywhere at anytime

If they cannot provide me with this then they cannot have my guns. If they intend to "PROTECT" me then they need to do it on all fronts.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Kali, as in Kali martial arts.

Hi that Kali is for an art that I practice.
It is arnis, escrima and Kali.

Thanks for the observation.

HQ

 

[No_Brakes23]

I just moved from Cali, and just changed my location from "San Diego sektor of the People's Repvblik of California" to what it is now. I didn't use the term as a slur on Cali, I love Cali. But I also hate the abysmal state of laws in that once great eden.

As for people that are trying to insult people who live in California, who cares? Idiots abound on an internet forum, even one as selective as THR. People have various motivating factors in their lives, and some folks are not able to shift their perspective to understand why anyone would live different than they do. Let them be ignorant, you know why you still live in Cali and put up with the laws, and you know you didn't choose to have such oppressive legislation.

And besides, its not like we're alone, Mass, Jersey, Maryland and New York posters get the same treatment. Hey we even have folks on this board from the UK, Oz and South America. They have it loads worse in some of those countries.

 

[Juna]

Democracy--it's fault is that two fools can outvote one wise man.

This is why we need to VOTE, first and foremost, and JOIN PRO-GUN ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE NRA. The "Wise Men" that we are need not be outvoted if we all vote. Plenty of "fools" will not vote.

A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves

I couldn't have said it better myself. I just wish some of the darn sheep would wake up and smell the wolf droppings.

 

[Harry Paget Flashman]

I was stationed in California for about 7 out of my 26 years in the military. There was a saying the locals had..."There is no intelligent life East of I-5."
Many there have drank the Kool-Aid and are believers.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Hey I represent that I-5 statement

Yep, I am 5 miles east must be a fringe dude.

HQ

 

[CAnnoneer]

With the unswerving trend towards further centralization, all of you who think the anti problem can be contained by state boundaries are in for a very rude surprise. All you can buy is a bit of time for yourselves while exporting your leftists to my state and sacrificing people like me to them. It is beyond cynical that you criticize my state directly and me indirectly, in the process.

 

[hugh damright]

With the unswerving trend towards further centralization, all of you who think the anti problem can be contained by state boundaries are in for a very rude surprise. All you can buy is a bit of time for yourselves while exporting your leftists to my state and sacrificing people like me to them. It is beyond cynical that you criticize my state directly and me indirectly, in the process.

Again, it is this neverending need for further centralization, this need to move further and further away from the Constitution, that is the problem. Are y'all part of the problem or part of the solution? You say that your people cannot be constrained by State Boundaries, and again, that is the whole problem ... but you guys yourselves are on here saying that we must get the federal government to save us from these evil State Boundaries, so when y'all say you aren't like those other Californians and Yankees, I think you are in denial.

 

[LkWinnipesaukee]

I live 'behind the lines' in MA. I cant move out because I'm only 16. College though, ohh man will i finally be free!!!


I call say massachush*+s, m@$$h0les, etc. Doesn't bother me

 

[island]

I live in a glass house, and do not throw stones

 

[Harley Quinn]

True sas,
I would think you might be able to understand since you Kould, Sas Katch a one.

HQ

 

[44AMP]

California?

Perhaps others don't like it, but I find it a humorous comment on the state of our rights. The Governments of the states of California, and the Democratic People's republics of Mass, New Jersey, and New York may not be communist, or even socialist (in their entirety) but their laws and actions go along way towards the communist ideal of no private ownership of firearms.

I have nothing but sympathy for those "behind the lines", as I was one myself once. I grew up in a rural area in northern New York state, and there were guns. My father owned around 20 rifles, shotguns, and yes, even handguns. He gave Hunter Safety courses every fall, with his own guns as props. He was a dedicated outdoorsman, and worked for the Conservation Dept. Most of our neighbors owned guns, many went hunting with us. Even in the repressive State of New York, there was a gun culture. At least in the Adirondaks.

I got my pistol permit at age 18. So did my younger brother when he got there. At the time, although 21 was believed by many to be the minimum age for handguns, the law said it was at the issuing judge's discretion. We learned of this after an auto accident involving both my father and mother. We found out that, under state law, if my dad had been killed, we would have had to surrender his handguns, as no one else in the family had a permit for them. If surrendered to the State police, they would be kept ~30 days, then destroyed. If surrendered to the County Sherrif, and a permit was applied for, they would be kept until the application was resolved. This was in the early 1970s.

At that time, the permit to possess (no concealed carry) took about 2 months (or so, usually), I don't remember the fee ($25?, maybe), five sets of fingerprints, four photographs, three character references, investigation by the Sherrif, and finally, it went before a judge for approval. One judge would only sign a permit for self protection, another would not sign any permit with self protection as a reason, He would only sign a permit for Hunting and Sporting uses. Handguns were listed on the permit by maker, caliber, barrel length, and serial number. Permit was valid for ONLY those guns listed. And it was not valid in NYC. Permit had no expiration. It could be revoked by a judge, but it did not expire, nor require renewal.

Mom, my brother and I all went through the permit process, and had all of Dad's guns listed on our permits. There was also an amendment process (not quite so cumbersome) to allow purchase of new handguns. After approval, you could take posession of the gun. Now, all this was over 30 years ago, and I shudder to think what it is like now, it can only have gotten worse. I joined the Army in 75, and only went back to visit. After experiencing life (and gun ownership) in a less restricive state, I just couldn't go back there to live.

So I know what it is like, and I don't make fun of those people who have seen their home taken over and controlled by anti-gun zelots and ignorant dupes. They are living with the results of being a minority in politics, and not a popular one.

Several states have the problem of having the majority of the population concentrated in a few large cities. Rural people understand guns, and like or tolerate them, generally. City (urban) people don't. Mostly because their only experience with guns is often a bad one. And rich elitists seem to like to live in and rule large cities. And generally, they don't like guns, or at least guns in any hands other than their own or their paid bodyguards.

If you have always lived in a state that is not out to crush gun owners under mountains of red tape, thank the good people before you and around you, as they are responsible for your good fortune. Not everyone has been so lucky.

FYI, I was contacted in 2002, by an office of the State of New York, via letter, and they informed me that, since I was no longer a state resident, (since I had left in 1975, I agreed, although the letter made no mention of how long I had been gone, they made it sound recent) my pistol permit was no longer valid. And, they wanted the permit back! They also wanted to know what happened to the guns listed on it.

What do you think I told them?

 

[mp510]

I live in Conecticut. Connecticut is pretty anti, in some regards, moreso than California, but in some regards, we do have it somewhat better. Anyhow, I take a shot at such in every post. Notice the PRKt under location- I put that to stand for People's Republik of Konnektikut.

Unfortunately, we consider a victory not having some ridculous new law passed.

 

[toivo]

At that time, the permit to possess (no concealed carry) took about 2 months (or so, usually), I don't remember the fee ($25?, maybe), five sets of fingerprints, four photographs, three character references, investigation by the Sherrif, and finally, it went before a judge for approval. One judge would only sign a permit for self protection, another would not sign any permit with self protection as a reason, He would only sign a permit for Hunting and Sporting uses. Handguns were listed on the permit by maker, caliber, barrel length, and serial number. Permit was valid for ONLY those guns listed. And it was not valid in NYC. Permit had no expiration. It could be revoked by a judge, but it did not expire, nor require renewal.

[...] Now, all this was over 30 years ago, and I shudder to think what it is like now, it can only have gotten worse.

It actually hasn't changed that much--it sounds about the same as what it is now. A lot depends on what county you live in.