Completely turned off by Glocks now...

[berettaman]

QUOTE:

I really don't care for Glocks at all (horrible ergomics, in my opinion), but I have to say they're a couple orders of magnitude more mechanically reliable than a Beretta M9.

Were you scared as a child by a Beretta 92 and thus just troll for threads to bash Beretta's? Yes yes yes we all know god invented HK's,the finest most ultra perfect gun that never misses,never malfunctions,if you carry one you can walk on water,talk to jesus,kill 3 men from 6 miles away and generally crap with out it stinking.
We who have never had problems with millions of rounds thru our Beretta's are real sorry that the 1911 is gone from the ranks and HK's are not standard issue.

 

[jlh26oo]

She agrees with you!

(lol of course "berettaman" would have to find that one)


Of all the criticisms I've heard about GLOCK, reliability hasn't typically been one of them. Until today- then boom two complaints. Yours and this one I read this morning (just a little dirt jammed hers up somehow):


http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIIC2g10.html


You two should get together.

 

[Manedwolf]

I've heard they're reliable, I just personally find the ergonomics to be like holding a 2x4, and I despise the trigger. I like a real safety. I also find them far too thick for what they are.

But some people love them. To each their own.

 

[psychophipps]

My G17 is about to hit the 20-year mark in March and I'm willing to bet it's as reliable and accurate as the day it rolled off of the line. Zero issues since I've bought it third-hand for $100 in January. It's been a great shooting pistol that eats anything I've fed it and puts the bullets where it's pointed.
On the other hand, I've never been an asthetist. Function has alway been more important than form since I was a kid. It shows in the martial arts I've studied and it shows in the faded/dinged paint job of my perfect-running '94 Jimmy.

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

 

[1911 guy]

As much as I dislike Glocks,

I'd have to say that chronic problems by all hands would indicate an ammo problem. I can't believe I'm sticking up for tactical tupperware!

 

[Legionnaire]

Well, I don't dislike Glocks, but then I'm not a devotee either. I have a G23 and like it just fine ... but it's not the only .40 in the safe. In response to the initial post, I suspect that there was a systemic problem at work, either bad ammo or poor maintenance, as suggested by TexasSIGman.

At an LFI course I took, two guys shooting 9mm Glocks were having a bunch of trouble, having to clear malfunctions on a regular basis. Turns out they were brothers, shooting the same crappy ammo. They bought some new stuff locally and shot the rest of the course without a hiccup, as I recall.

My own G23 had many thousands of rounds through it and then began to have failure to extract problems. Unfortunately, it was right in the middle of another class I was taking with Insights. I finished the class using my backup gun (I always take two to a class), then had the G23 serviced by an armorer. He updated the extractor, and now, a couple of thousand rounds later, the gun is still running like clockwork.

Point is, Glocks, like every other piece of equipment, need proper maintenance (even if minimal) and a diet of good quality ammo.

 

[BrainOnSigs]

Love my Sigs!
Love my HK!
Love my XD!
Love my Walthers!
Love my Glocks!

Variety is the spice.

I love all my combat handguns but each one has it's pluses and minuses.

The Glock (as stated) is reasonably priced, accurate, reliable and very easy to completely tear down with one tool. The Glock is truly a tool. It isn't a thing of beauty, just a proven combat handgun.

 

[Bix]

Attend an advanced pistol class anywhere in this country and you are likely to see a good number of Glocks reliably putting rounds where they need to go.

 

[buzz_knox]

Okay I was at the Jacksonville (FL) Sheriff's Office range today with my commands CQB team. While there the 20 of us trying out for the CQB team observed JSO officers missing their targets and clearing the MULTIPLE malfunctions in their Glock .40s (i think thats what they were).

We have a groups of officers who, based on the context of your post and your conclusions, missed with some regularity. The first thing that indicates to me is that they are spending much time with their weapons, and probably don't have that much experience with them. So, are the malfunctions weapons related or operator induced (limp wristing, failure to charge the weapon, failure to cycle the action, etc)?

I seem to recall one of the "reality" shows following an LAPD officer to the range. Her Beretta (your preferred weapon it seems) was giving her no end of trouble. Come to find out she had never cleaned it. If all we had was the initial failures and not more information, we would be equally justified in indicting your weapon.

 

[Arc-Lite]

I do not like the looks of the Glock, or their plastic parts...BUT, it's hard to be blind to the fact...they usually work..and work well. If you look at the Glock, your not looking at the target... and you, , your weapon and the target... is the game...anything else is fluff. Why they failed to "work" that day in Flordia...could have dozens of reasons...least being the Glocks.

 

[Dave T]

Here's the final word on this subject. (can't belive I actually typed that - lol)

Those of you who don't like the looks of Glocks or don't trust them...don't buy them!

Those of you who don't mind the appearance and think they are reliable...fee free to keep shooting and buying them.

Dave

 

[mljdeckard]

Another vote for limp-wristing. I let my wife shoot my G-22, and told her to relax, and she took me too literally. I never had a stoppage in a glock that wasn't from limp wristing or cheap ammo.

As long as we are pretending to follow the Hague Accords, and using 115 gr fmj, we should be issuing our soldiers G-17s.

I was an assistant armorer in Germany for an HHC in an armor battalion. In March of '92, we switched out our 1911s for 87 Berettas. I stripped the cosmoline off of all of them. Within a year, I had to send over a dozen of them up to higher maintenence for spring failures, squibs, and failed double-action. I may be on my way BACK to Iraq, and if Berettas are the primary choice, I'll take one, but it won't be my ONLY plan. (I would take my Kimber if I was sure I could use it withoug getting into trouble.)

 

[aka108]

People I know who own Glocks love them. (only problem I've heard was that one of the guys owns a dog who has a bunch of plastic chew toys. He left the Glock on the coffee table, unloaded, the rest you can figure out). Guess I'm too traditional (and old) but just don't care for a handgun that is anything other than steel.

 

[1911Tuner]

Glock Glock

Anything man-made can fail...and does. Glocks are no exception. Neither are Sigs, H&Ks, 1911s...or even single-shot .22 rifles.

Being no fan of Glocks, I have to admit that they're extremely reliable across the board. They're reliable with junk ammo, and they're reliable even when subject to harsh conditions...but that doesn't mean that they can't fail.

Bad smithing? Possibly. Bad ammo? Also possible. Several Glocks failing within one department due to bad guns or incompetent smithing? Not highly likely. The common denominator here is the ammo, and therein is where my bet lies.

Lesson learned? Any time a new lot of ammunition is aquired...test it.
5 rounds per box...10% of the total...should reveal any hidden secrets.
Expensive? Yeah...a little. What's your life worth?

Carry on!

 

[CornCod]

Urban Cops and Gun Maintnance

I think the problem with those cops might be gun maintanence. Urban cops are notoriously bad at cleaning and oiling. My brother (ex-NYPD) used to tell me stories about NY cops with guns rusted so badly they could not pull the trigger.

I honestly think urban police departments should have stayed with the .38 revolvers, they hold up better under abuse/neglect.

 

[Richard]

Lucky 7, I am not prone to buying junk and for me to buy more than one pistol by the same manufacturer says something. I own a G17, G19, G21, G23, G27, and G30; all of these are fine combat weapons. Have I ever had any problems? Yes, I mostly shoot 1911s and I forgot how to use a Glock trigger. I took my new G17 to the range and I could not get it to group well. Why? I was pulling the trigger straight through and allowing the trigger to go completely forward after each shot. I should have only allowed the trigger to go forward until I felt or heard a click. Yesterday, I changed to this method and my newest Glock is up to the performance level I expect. Regards, Richard

 

[Lucky 7]

buzz_knox: M9 is ISSUED. Baby Eagle Full-Sized in nine or matching Witness Carry-Comp .45s are the favs.

All good points insofar. And no I didn't intend any sort of "hate thread." I'm just as sick of them like everyone else. I'm merely sharing my experiences, like the forum was intended.

Okay, familarization with said weapons could be at fault. We are there all week shooting so I was able to pick up a peice of .40 brass that had WIN stamped on it. I wanna rule out ammo in this case.

To be fair I did experience a failure-to-fire today. Military primers so hey "Tap-Rack-Bang." Thats the only one in over 1200 rounds this week. Not bad by most standards.

Regards and Semper Fi!
-L7

PS I really didn't expect this sort of response but seemingly bash a brand and watch out!

 

[Lucky 7]

Forgot something:

Berettaman you have to be one of the funniest peeps on here.

Thats all.

-Lucky 7

 

[1911WB]

Glocks, etc.

Look, I obviously love 1911s. But I must say since getting a G20 (10mm) and my wife getting a G23 (.40 S&W), I have become real impressed with Glock's simplicity and reliability. A trigger pull reduction is as simple as changing out one part, i.e. replacing the 5.5 lb. connector with a 3.5 lb. one. The loose chambers on Glocks are much more ammo tolerant than some 1911s with tight chambers. Accuracy is quite good, although a match grade 1911 can do better. Finally, since handsome is as handsome does, even the Glocks' looks are growing on me!

 

[HorseSoldier]

Were you scared as a child by a Beretta 92 and thus just troll for threads to bash Beretta's? Yes yes yes we all know god invented HK's,the finest most ultra perfect gun that never misses,never malfunctions,if you carry one you can walk on water,talk to jesus,kill 3 men from 6 miles away and generally crap with out it stinking.

I had no idea I was such a fan of HK pistols I suppose I need to start buying some more of them besides my rather ancient USP to justify my supposed enthusiasm . . .

But I did see two more Berettas break today on the flat range -- locking blocks. Brilliant design, that locking block -- per Beretta it is actually designed to fail, which would make it one of the most reliable gun parts I have ever encountered.

For those that are playing along at home, these would be the second and third broken Berettas I've seen in three days, not counting two other pistols with ammo related major stoppages. Not too shabby a job by those locking blocks, considering we're only talking about less than 50 shooters on the line . . .

 

[wanderinwalker]

A non-single stack Glock failing? Hmmmm... I'd point at A) Limp wrist, B) Maintenance, and C) Ammo.

I have a Glock 17, have had it a few years now, actually. It is probably the only pistol I've ever had or will have I WILL NOT part with for any reason. It goes BANG every time, no matter how dirty or how long since last used, puts rounds on target just above the front sight reliably and just works.

Is it ugly? Yeah. So is my T/C Encore ProHunter. Both work well. Is it reliable? Yep. I've run it so long between cleanings I actually got tired of handling a sooty gun and cleaned it then. It never got so dirty it stopped working.

But I have seen it fail. Once with an ex-NYPD officer who used to carry a G19. He limp-wristed it badly with my normal range reloads. Switch of ammo and it worked fine for him as well. (I shoot with a very rigid grip and the pistol has cycled with ammo below Glock's minimum 115gr/1150fps power floor.) Stoked with good +P ammo, I have no fear of a malfunction.

Now let's not get started about how many times I've seen 1911s and revolvers fail!