concealed carry shotgun

[wdlsguy]

I don't know whether or not this [strike]shotgun[/strike] smooth bore pistol

Fixed it for you.

can be classified as a handgun.

Depends on your state's definition of "handgun".

 

[Fred Fuller]

There was once a full length riot shotgun intended to be carried concealed- the Burgess Folding Police Shotgun. You can see one in pictures at
http://shootingbums.org/hvr/burgess.html . It came with a holster so it could be carried concealed under a coat.

lpl/nc

 

[Defensory]

Posted by wdlsguy:
Depends on your state's definition of "handgun".

And you have yet to prove that Texas law defines the Super Shorty as a handgun. Nor have you proven that it can be carried legally under the Texas CCW law.

I'm not drinking wdlsguy's purple kool-aid, so I've made it a point to contact the Texas Department of Public Safety this coming week. I'll be sure to post my findings.

 

[ctdonath]

Since ctdonath apparently missed this the first time I posted it, here it is again:

I'm not sure why you're so keen on having such an intense argument about a subject which you know significantly less about than those whom you are arguing with.

It may behoove you to LISTEN to what more experienced people have to say, rather than playing ongoing verbose "gotcha!" games.

Sigh...

(10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a
barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel
length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or
rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length of less than 26
inches.

Did you look up the definition of "shotgun"? I don't know about TX law, but in NY and federal law the definition of "shotgun" very specifically includes "shoulder stock"; no stock, never had a stock, not a shotgun.

ANYBODY interested in buying one of these would be VERY WISE to check with their county sheriff and state attorney general's office, in regard to all laws directly and indirectly pertaining to weapons like the SSS.

We did.
There isn't a problem, except with your understanding of a subject which is frequently counter-intuitive.

Awright, let me have a shot at clearing this up (even though others have as well and you won't listen to them either).


The Serbu Super Shorty is a modified Mossberg Maverick "pistol grip only" model, with a cut down barrel & magazine, with a few other minor modifications.
That means that it NEVER HAD A SHOULDER STOCK.
"Pistol grip only shotguns", born as such, ARE NOT, legally speaking, SHOTGUNS.
I know that confuses your sensibilities, but fact is the Maverick PGO model IS NOT A SHOTGUN.
Yes, it fires shotgun shells. It looks like a shotgun. It operates like a shotgun. BUT IT IS NOT A "SHOTGUN".
It is a shotgun-like thing with a long barrel, which Serbu cuts down to a short barrel.
If the barrel is under 18" (smoothbore) or 16" (rifled), and never had a shoulder stock, it is a "pistol". That's what a pistol is, legally: a gun with a too-short barrel and never ever had a shoulder stock.
Smoothbore pistols are defined as "AOW"s in federal law.
It's a pistol.
It's also an AOW.
It really can be both at once.

And I really did, legally, have one on my NY concealed-carry pistol permit.
The BATFE was OK with it.
The Sheriff was OK with it.
The County Clerk was OK with it.
I scoured NY law (which is far too complicated to explain to someone like you playing "gotcha!" every three quotes), and it absolutely was legal.
I could even carry it (concealed) into bars and have a drink.

What I don't understand is why you're so he11-bent on proving we're wrong - when we've already been thru all this, and got formal full-blown signoffs from everyone who had a legal interest in stopping us from doing so.

 

[RCR29]

You do realize that not all states have "concealed handgun licenses." Kentucky, for instance, has a concealed deadly weapons license. That covers anything that is considered a deadly weapon by KY law. MG, AOW, SBR, DD, rifle, handgun, switchblade, brass knuckles, etc.

So it doesn't have to be a handgun to be eligible for concealed carry in all states.

 

[ctdonath]

Bingo.
A core flaw in our critic's argument is the insistence that we be explicitly ALLOWED to carry such an item concealed ... when the original essence of law in this country is "that which is not expressly forbidden is legal". It's up to him to prove CCW of a SSS is not legal in a given jurisdiction, and his "gotcha!" attitude is preventing him from properly understanding the nuances of the laws in question.

Awright, so far we have NY, KY, VT, GA, TX where it's legal... any others?
You really want to keep going with this, Defensory?

 

[Dave McCracken]

This thread teeters on the brink of closure. Let's keep things HR.....

 

[RyanM]

You forgot PA. PA explicitly allows the concealed carry of pistols, SBRs, SBSs, and smoothbore AOWs. PA issues a concealed "firearm" license, and "firearm" under that section is defined as any SBR, SBS, or pistol with a barrel under 15" and/or overall length under 26". Thus, regardless of whether PA decides to consider the Serbu a SBS or smoothbore pistol, it's still a "firearm," and explicitly legal to carry concealed with a permit.