Confusion regarding "Sigma" quality ranges.

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Omaha-BeenGlockin said:
If you can shoot a Sigma well---you can shoot anything well

Keep it for a training gun---they can be accurate and reliable
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Now that's an interesting take on its ownership. Bad makes you better or tough makes you tougher.
Gaining a greater appreciation for and competency with some of my finer handguns after using this...
I like it, I'll generally take any reason to not sell a firearm.;)
 
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ApacheCoTodd, since this is a SW series Sigma, do yourself a favor and do an out of battery firing test. With the firearm unloaded, push the slide back just enough to cause the chamber to unlock. In that state, pull the trigger. Most SW series Sigmas will allow the striker to be released with the chamber slightly unlocked.

This is why they are banned in my company.
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So, I guess your company bans Glocks, too?
 
Onward Allusion said:
So, I guess your company bans Glocks, too?
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That one made me wonder and as I have a Glock from the same package deal sitting next to the Sigma just now, I tried it. This particular Glock does not releases as the Sigma does but then it's an unfired 22 Gen4 so that may have something to do with it. I don't really speak Glock.
 
I owned a sigma 40 ve about 15 years ago maybe..... it was a good gun. in fact I'd like a 9mm VE if I could find one locally.
 
I'm guessing they corrected this with G4 Glocks. 'Can't tell you about G4's. Also, not all Glocks had this "feature". It has something to do with the disconnector tab being a tad too far back.
 
Onward Allusion said:
I'm guessing they corrected this with G4 Glocks. 'Can't tell you about G4's. Also, not all Glocks had this "feature". It has something to do with the disconnector tab being a tad too far back.
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Sounds like a multiple calibers on a single chassis misstep then.
 
I had a Sigma .40. Very ergonomic for me. Didn't mind the trigger. I bought it to help a guy out. If it had been a 9mm, I'd still have it. Sold it to someone who really likes it.
 
Does it work? Yes, probably. However, S&W now offers the budget-line SD9 and SD40 series that are better, and M&Ps are pretty cheap themselves.
 
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"Does it work? Yes, probably. However, S&W now offers the budget-line SD9 and SD40 series that are better, and M&Ps are pretty cheap themselves."
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Right enough but I already have this one and am looking for input that it is the last, most correct version.
It's not even a market segment that I ever intended to get into let alone expand further. Just "backed into" it.
 
So - Sold on the S&W SW9VE! or: Diggin' my faux Glock!

While I know there are a lot of Sigma haters out there and it would seem for good reason regarding some of the earlier guns - this 9VE so far, has been nothing but good.

It's been shot a good deal by myself and friends in 115 & 124 grain rounds and the reliability, comfort and accuracy are a wonder at the price. I got mine at "estate sale" pricing but the going cost of these seems to still be affected by the earlier bad reputation. Quite a buy in my opinion.

The basic sights while very elemental are quite easy to line up in most any reasonable light. We've shot it indoors, outdoors, bright and dusk. I feel the finish of the stainless slide helps me a great deal as the black front and rear sight contrast nicely. Though the finish of the slide is stainless, it's a nice matte stainless so no issues in the sun.

The grip... as I said above in an earlier post is exceptionally nice in my hand and shooting it made me even more of a fan. If the 1911 sits as a general "gold standard" for palm fit among single stackers, this should be a new standard for double stacks... well, and Hi Powers! In comfort, it was beyond any of the three Glocks we had. I've always felt that given the wild praise Glock gets for it's frames that it was on me to get used to them - now I know better.

Relax! I know a Glock is a better handgun - just doesn't feel anywhere near as good to me.

The trigger...

Yup, here's the rub; long pull, tough pull and the weird tippy-tip to get around Glock's trigger safety.
Took any one of us about halfway through the second 10 round mag to get past just getting used to it and finding our own individual ways to cope with take-up. Only a tiny bit of "sting" dealt with by alternative finger engagement with the trigger. I still look at that itty-bitty pin which the lower portion of the trigger hinges upon with suspicion. Were it to break, the remainder, while unhindered and technically functional, would not offer enough leverage to fire the pistol. OK, maybe with gloves.

I'll still upgrade as previous posters have suggested.

Hell, I've even come to find the rattly factory build encouraging - as I do with a happy old 1911.
 
Good cheap gun with a terrible trigger. Had a few, did the trigger mods and they were still generally awful. A decent home defense gun though...
 
That is some trigger on the Sigma but it actually improves your marksmanship. I have one in 9mm and the M&P to compare it with. When I got the Sigma it malfunctioned much but then after six boxes it is as they say, utterly reliable. A mostly under-appreciated pistol in my opinion.
 
If you want a smooth trigger out of the sigma, here is how I did it.

https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid66.html

http://gallowayprecision.com/smith-and-wesson/sigma-and-sd/lighter-sear-spring-for-Sigma-VE/

Placed both kits in the sigma. While replacing the sear block spring, I took 400 grit paper to the slots that guide the pins. There was slight chatter in the slots. That gave the trigger quite a gritty feel.

Once it was all complete, the trigger was nice and smooth. I would say about 6-7 lbs. on the trigger pull.
 
I have a first gen, SW9F. The trigger is not bad at all. The triggers got bad after the Glock lawsuit, as they had to change things to make it less Glock like.
Personally I would not have ever bought the Glock & Wesson, but it has proven to be 100% reliable. It has sentimental value to me as it was my late partner's duty pistol. His widow gave it to me after he passed.
While I don't carry it, or otherwise use it for any serious purpose, I would have no reservations about doing so, if I needed to. I just have other weaons that I prefer.
 
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HTanks KCOFOHIO, the links were helpful and the attached clips on the right of the pages reinforced my desire to smooth some of the gritty-creep out with polishing.
 
They fixed the problems in 1998 or 1999. I had one of the original guns bought in 1998. It was awful. It went back to S&W 3 times and I still hadn't gotten a full box of ammo through it. The whole ordeal lasted 5 months. The firing pin would not cock. It simply would not fire.

After the 3rd trip back S&W offered me a replacement gun. I agreed, but only if they sent one of the new, improved guns in its place. They did, and the store where I made the initial purchase allowed me the full price I originally paid in trade for a Glock. I never fired the new gun when it came in.

In fairness to S&W. They did fix the problems with all Sigma's, and they did make things right with me. Although 5 months was a bit long. I'm happy with Glocks, and don't plan on going back to a Sigma, but if someone wants a decent gun for a little money I'd recommend one made after 1999.
 
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