Cosh's, slappers & black jacks...

[RyanM]

As I'm quite fond of mentioning, PA has a rather odd clause in its Prohibited Offensive Weapons law.

(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.

(b) Exceptions.--
3. This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:

"Firearm."
Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
"Offensive weapons."
Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.

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Given the extremely loose definition of "offensive weapon," particularly the "firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment" bit, it's a good thing that clause is there. What do they define as "specially made...for concealment?" Any gun that's designed to be kinda small?

Other than that, I really am not familiar with any other state's laws. Because I don't live there.

 

[Boom-stick]

But you can still buy em here in the UK

 

[cowpuncher/pi]

You can buy saps at www.copsplus.com . Look in the Police batons area. The 9 inch Denver Sap in heavy leather will do the job.

 

[Matt_W]

Do you mean this type of thing?

http://www.stoppa.co.uk/acatalog/showpic.jpg

http://www.stoppa.co.uk/acatalog/slapper.jpg

The flat Sap is the more 'PC' of the two in that strikes made with the flat of it are far less damaging than the Leather Billy.

The flat one is leather with a lead weight inside whilst the Billy is a lead weight attached to a steel spring, wrapped in leather.

The Billy only needs minimal movement before generating 'enough' momentum to get peoples attention. Think a flick of the wrist almost!

Personally I think that you could hit harder with the Billy much more easily than one could with a 16" ASP, especially when things are up close etc.

As they are not truncheons they are still legal in the UK. According to the Royal Armouries in Leeds this sort of weapon has been used traditionally by the English to protect against muggers!!

 

[HiWayMan]

Boomstick PM sent

 

[Boom-stick]

HWM,

Recieved.

Matt,

Yep thats wot I'm talking about but I saw them on weaponsgalore.com

They've got some great toys there.

 

[JohnBT]

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[Third_Rail]

Man, I could actually use that...

 

[BryanP]

I like the bookmark. 11 ounces. Hmm. Heck, I'd actually use that to read books while eating.

I think I just might order one. Since I've always got a book with me no one could legitimately question it.

 

[hso]

JohnBT,

You're my hero!

 

[Aikibiker]

I have been using a flat sap to hold books open for years. Works great for that.

 

[akluvr]

A funny story here. I was hired onto a medium sized PD (75 officers) from a small PD (8 officers). It was a whole new world. We actually had to stand in line as we were issued uniforms and equipment, much like the military. They handed me a slap and continued down the line. I stood there for a minute and stared at it thinking this cannot be what I think it is (this was 1998). We were also issued a nightstick with what is commonly referred to as a skull crusher on the end of the grip. When all the toys had been handed out, I asked if it was ok to carry an ASP. A major got right into my grill and started screaming that the ASP was nothing but a lead pipe and if any of us were ever caught with one it was instant termination. This all to relay this, that slap was one of the most impressive pieces of equipment that I have ever carried. Period. Everything that is listed here before this thread is true, but the one thing that I have not seen referenced is this- an old salt that took a rookie under his wing showed me how to "edge" someone. That is, when you swing, turn the slap on its edge before contact. I have seen razors do less damage. It worked so well that when I left law enforcement to never look back, I picked one up at a gun show pretty inexpensive and carry it with me often.

 

[Biker]

I've checked packing.org and cannot determine if a slapper is legal to carry in Idaho. Can anyone shed any light on this?

Biker

 

[tellner]

There are other bookweights - available all over the place including amazon - which aren't rigid the way that the Levengers model is. There's an egg-shaped piece of lead sewn in either end and a flexible piece of leather between them. Sort of like a flat sap without the spring.

For those with a really high-brow literary air check out the St. John's College (Santa Fe) bookstore. They make a very nice bookweight. Soft leather flared at both ends filled with tiny shot. It even comes embossed with the uber-tweedy "St. John's College". The narrow part is precisely the width of a typical book page which makes it great for actually holding down pages and reading them.

 

[Dirty Bob]

I've seen similar book weights at Barnes and Noble.

Todd: St. John's College is one of my favorite campuses in the U.S. I'll have to take a look for those the next time I find myself in their bookstore. Thanks!

Regards,
Dirty Bob

 

[mogunner]

Cosh, Saps and Blackjacks

Back when I was a Correctional Officer in Missouri, One of the favorite Inmate Weapons was the Soap in a Sock. Prison Bars of soap are hard as a rock, put one of those in a sock, smack someone with it and they will go down like a pole-axed Ox.

 

[Matt_W]

www.stoppa.co.uk are one of weapon galore's 'trade customers' so they are the same.

I have one of each and I would trust either design although the nod would probably go to the Billy unless I really needed the flat profile of the Sap, if you know what I mean

 

[RyanM]

If anyone's looking for lead weights that are about the right size and shape for a blackjack as is, trolling weights look pretty good. And they get pretty heavy, some can be up to 48 ounces.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...&rid=&parentType=&indexId=cat20295&hasJS=true

Though the heaviest Cabela's sells is 16 ounces.

For informational purposes only. It is the responsibility of the reader, not the poster or THR, to follow all state and federal laws.

(edit for cheaper source)

 

[Skofnung]

One of the older kids in my scout troop used to terrorize us younguns with a nylon wallet full of change. A blow to the arm or leg hurt. Bad.

 

[LawDog]

Boston Leather supplied my last two.

LawDog

 

[swampdog]

If anyone's looking for lead weights that are about the right size and shape for a blackjack as is, trolling weights look pretty good.

Egg sinkers would work, too. I have flattened these with a hammer in the past to keep them from rolling on the bottom. Might work for a slapper or an improvised palm cosh.

 

[p35]

I've seen tubular nylon webbing- the stuff mountain climbers use- filled loosely with lead shot and knotted at both ends. Doesn't look like a weapon, but feels like one...

 

[theotherrookieshooter]

brass knuckles

as for myself i stick to brass knuckles, they can fit in a pocket unnoticed until needed or even worn as a belt buckle. they also can be found in variations with spikes on the knuckles. ive never had to use mine since most people have the good sense not to say anything to 6"2', 215 lb. testosterone filled teenagers. oh yea another thing about brass knuckles is that people wont think of you as "that doofus that walks around with that weird leather thing".

 

[usmccpl]

Ok. I guess Im a doofus for carrying my sap. Which by the way is one of the flat ones and fits in a boot or the waist band of my pants and goes unnoticed until I haul it out.And so what that a big kid carries brassknuckles do you know how to use them properly or if you need to are you gonna break your fingers.When I was younger I thought I was a bad ass and packed a set right up until i broke two fingers and dislocated one using them on somebody. With the sap there is no chance I will hurt myself.






one shot one kill

 

[loandr.]

Never heard of em If I had these would all be Custom Wrapped furniture grade leather over new run springs and hand poured LEAD heads Notice the Basket Weave on the BJ's NOT pouch like the commerical pieces MUCH more durable and not prone to splitting. The Saps are 5-Ply Leather hitting with the flat will ruin someones day, hitting with the edge their yr! The heaviest here (Big Earl) weighing in at about 18OZ. and the Smaller KeyCosh's at about 6oz. the PalmSaps are neato under a glove I hear Gotta appreciate the HookSlap, 10oz payload on a Flat Strap loaded with Flat spring! the best of both BJ and SAP worlds in one hide in plain site type package, And YES another SouthNarc FAN here! Enjoy.

LD