Could someone explain what a "target" gun is?

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so I could quit pestering everybody with these inane questions

judging from the responses to your queries, I would way that The High Road folks are quite happy helping you.

Your enthusiasm is fun and besides...most are guys. Guns are sadly considered to remain mostly in our domain. We love it when a woman embraces the firearm.

Besides. This is just your first gun. Who knows how many Miss Lead will end up with?
 
Hmm...now I'm confused! Nothing new. The 60-4 seems everything you're looking for, yet you weren't quite satisfied with it?

Not sure what you meant by the 'modern' look - the underlugged barrel or the stainless finish? Except for the barrel, adj. sights, and stainless finish, it is exactly a classic.

Perhaps you want an older classic 3" non-lugged, fixed sight, round but J-Frame. They do exist but will take a bit of searching.

No matter, it would be hard to do much better for a general purpose .38 than the 60-4 if the gun is in good condition. Think about how it would look polished with ivory or fancy wood grips.

I've owned Colts, for me they don't fit quite as well as the S&W Js. Purely subjective.
 
I would way that The High Road folks are quite happy helping you.
You are right. I have never been to a forum where members have been so helpful and forthcoming with information.
 
Miss Lead,
The Model 60-4 did come as a "Target" version, meaning that it had a longer (3" vs. 1-7/8") barrel, adjustable rear sight, wide "target" hammer, and a "target" trigger - meaning the face of the trigger has ridges in it.
It was made on the "original" J-frame which is smaller than the more beefy "magnum" J-frame. As you stated, it's .38 Spec. only. The 60 and 36 are the same guns, the 60 being stainless, the 36 blued. Any S&W revolver that begins with a "6" means it's stainless...Model 60, 66, 64, 67 etc..are all stainless.

I just purchased a Model 60-4 this past Friday from a forum member on another forum I frequent. I paid $600 including shipping for mine, but it was as close to new as you can get. I looked for a long time and have not come across a 60-4 in the past year for less than $500.

I've been shooting revolvers for over 40 yrs. and can tell you that a Model 60-4 is as good as it gets as far as a compromise of shootability, carryability, and accuracy. DO NOT believe that you need .357 capability and step up to one of the more recent Model 60's based on the magnum J-frame. .38 Spec. +P is plenty enough for self defense, and .357 of any sort is just plain out unpleasant in anything smaller than a K-frame, regardless of what anyone tells you about practicing, this/that.

The Model 60-4 is as classic as it gets and is one of those models that you can pass down as an heirloom some day.
Buy it...try it for a while...and if you don't like it I assure you can sell it for at least what you paid for it, if not more. Besides, it doesn't have that ugly lock on it like the newer ones do.

If you get it, come visit and I'll personally teach you to shoot it. Or I can have my (female) pistol coach give you some instruction.
 
Not sure what you meant by the 'modern' look - the underlugged barrel or the stainless finish? Except for the barrel, adj. sights, and stainless finish, it is exactly a classic.
Now we are both confused. The modern gun I thought I was referring to in an earlier post was a Ruger SP 101. I love the S&W 60-4. It is exactly the look that I want. I did not buy it when I saw it because I didn't know what a "target" gun was. I thought maybe it only shot certain funky loads or something. Plus I had no clue what it was worth, and walking in off the street buying a gun you're totally unfamiliar with is unnerving.

As for the Colt, I really don't know why I am coveting it like that. Somebody told me recently that it's the pinnacle of the type of guns I'm considering buying and that it's impossible to find -- so of course that made it sound to me like the most desirable gun there could possibly be. I think it's very handsome, but otherwise I have no direct knowledge of why it would be a better gun than, say, the 60-4. You have to understand I'm very impressionable at this stage.
 
BTW BHK, I really like the looks of that hard chrome. Who did the work?
This is a photo of my daughter's 36-6 (hard chromed). My model 60 looks the same, although it is built on a magnum j-frame and is in .357.

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Arent we all! Just one opinion, I'd buy the 60-4. It's a perfect start, and also very posssibly the best compromise if you end up with only one revolver ever. You really cannot do better imo for a general purpose .38. Forget the .357s, you won't shoot them anyhow unless you are WonderWoman. (You may also want to get the wide trigger replaced with a standard width version. I like it better.)

Colts are fine, but they are larger and don't feel as good to me. They also have long trigger pulls in double action. Colt folks are all snobs anyhow - I'm gonna get killed for that! - KIDDING.
 
I think it's very handsome, but otherwise I have no direct knowledge of why it would be a better gun than, say, the 60-4. You have to understand I'm very impressionable at this stage.
It would not be a better gun than the 60-4, just more expensive....

...Plus I had no clue what it was worth, and walking in off the street buying a gun you're totally unfamiliar with is unnerving.
That's very good shopping, then. If it doesn't have much wiggle and doesn't appear to have been fired a whole lot, it IS worth $500. In fact, if I hadn't just purchased mine, I'd be asking which gun shop it was at so I could buy it myself.
Some advice: if you want to purchase it yourself, don't dare mention on this or any other forum which store it's at, as some unscrupulous forum members (usually lurkers) will call immediately and purchase it and put it on GunBroker tomorrow.
 
Apparently a similar one sold recently for $3500. This one had all the accessories. S&W collector with spare change most likely bought it as an investment. "Bloodwork" was the name of the Clint Eastwood movie where this was his firearm of choice. "Well punk! I know what you're thinking. Did he fire 7 shots or was it 8? With all this confusion I kind of lost count myself. So, are you feeling lucky, punk? Well are you?" or words to that effect.
 
Triggernosis, I had the gun chromed many years ago by a place in Idaho (I think). It might have been called the Gun Shack, or Gun Hut? It was an outfit recommended in gun magazines during the period. I don't know if they still exist or not.
 
I just called the shop. They sold the gun right after I left. He said it was only there for a short time. Where is the icon that depicts a person sobbing?
 
It was probably a shot-out piece of junk, owned by a mall-ninja Rambo type.

They aren't common, true, but they aren't rare. Another will turn up if you do some looking. They won't be inexpensive, but worth the cost for one in excellent condition.

Also watch for an older M36 that has exactly the same features - not many of these at all but they are out there.

If worse comes to worse you can always buy a new model. Not quite the classic, but very close.

Go to smith-wesson.com to see photos of them.
 
There are a few, older ones only. Not common, but one shows up now and then.

I think the excellent revolver in the photo above is an M36 that was hard-chrome electro-plated. This is a wonderful very hard and thin (.0002") refinish coating often used on carbon steel (non-stainless) guns.
 
Miss Lead posted:
'So there are M36s out there with the full underlug? I wondered about that as I have not seen one yet.'

Gee, read the posts carefully. There is a photo of my daughters 36-6 in post #18 and it was reposted by someone else latter. This one was blue, but was hard chromed before the photo. They made 615 of them.
 
Gee, read the posts carefully.
Yeah, sorry. That's what I get for trying to do two things at once. This question has been on my mind for several days and it just didn't dawn on me that the answer was staring at me from the picture you posted. I have too many distractions going on today.
 
Lots of folks describe something as a "target gun" that really isn't. True target guns are popular for folks in activities like Bullseye shooting. But some handguns with adjustable sights might be useful for target shooting, but not the best fit.


That 3" Model 60 would have served you very well. Sorry you missed it.


Not everything you hear from behind the gun counter is wholly accurate or true.

3" Colt Detective Specials are tough to find and pricey when you can find one.
 
A target gun is a gun where accuracy is the top priority, with reasonable reliability and no regard to ease of carry or concealability.

They tend to have tight clearances and do not tolerate dirt or neglect well. Generally heavier, longer barrels, lighter triggers, adjustable sights that offer good sight pictures and discern small errors in aiming well. Grips are usually able to be modified or replaced relatively easily. Most often, although not always, they are gunsmith friendly and easily modified to fit the user. Think S&W 41, Pardini, Hammerli, 1911's set up for bullseye, etc.

A service handgun generally favors reliability over accuracy and concealability. Tolerances are slightly looser to tolerate dirt and abuse, accuracy is acceptable but not fantastic, generally larger and not readily concealable, sights are good but not complicated and designed to handle abuse, trigger pulls are heavier and often longer, grips are not always replaceable or modifiable. Think, Beretta 92, 1911 in stock configurations, Glock, M&P, CZ 75, etc.

CCW firearms generally favor concealability, with reliability second, and accuracy third. Weights are lighter, barrels are shorter, sights are fixed and simple, overall design hugs or compliments the body to hide under garments, with grips being smoother and lower profile. Think COMPACT Glocks, shortened 1911's, snub nose revolvers, PPK, pocket pistols, etc.

People can and do use firearms for purposes other than designed and may carry full size combat pistols, or carry a target gun, or shoot a service pistol on a target range, etc. So the distinctions are not rigid.
 
Just to stir the pot…. Wouldn’t the proper terminology for a 3” J-frame with adjustable sights be a ‘Kit Gun’? The S&W Model 34 being the classic example, albeit in .22 LR. The Model 63 being the stainless equivalent.

A "kit gun" is defined as: a handgun designed to be taken on backpacking, camping, fishing, trapping, or hiking trips. It is small and can fit in your "kit" bag or backpack. By necessity it must be small & handy (3” barrel) and accurate at small game ranges with a broad spectrum of ammunition (adjustable sights).
 
Yeah, forgot about that one. Those are almost a dying class nowadays. Not a big demand for guns to throw in the tacklebox or backpack anymore.
 
Any handgun can be shot at targets. ;) But I would consider a "target" gun to be optimized for formal or competition target shooting. This includes but is not limited to a long barrel, some weight to the gun so it holds steadier, a grip made to fit the shooter's hand, adjustable sights and a lightened trigger pull, none of which are present in a standard Chiefs Special.
 
I just called the shop. They sold the gun right after I left. He said it was only there for a short time. Where is the icon that depicts a person sobbing?

You would be amazed at how many of us have been through that exact same experience.

I once laid a gun down on the table at a gun show, to get my wallet out and a guy snatched the gun from in front of me and handed the money to the vendor. I was (deleted because Grandma would be shocked at my language!):evil:

Sorry to hear that you missed the gun you were looking for. There will be others, just keep looking.
 
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