coyote and deer setup. please critique.

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What else do I need? camo types?
Any other equipment needed for the two hunting desires.
The black rifle is a Howa M-1500 in .308 and is setup with a 3.5-10x44 Nikko Stirling scope. (Gameking.)
The shotgun is Winchester 1200 12 guage shotgun with a 2-3/4 inch chamber.
The .22 is a Marlin-Glenfield pre 1980 18 round tube-fed .22 long rifle semi auto.
The light coat is the only camo thing I own and the call is for 'yotes.. I'm 14 and have never hunted anything other than squirrels and possums and such..
Help please.
 
Looks like you have everything covered firearm wise. Camo is usually a need for coyote hunting, more so than whitetail. I have killed several deer in Wranglers, camo long sleeve and black stetson. Coyotes though can pick you out quicker. Usually you hunt coyotes at night so camo might not be your issue. Scent control is a must for both if you want to be serious. At night will be your best coyote hunt in most cases. Get a good spot light with a red lens.
 
well, those are only MY guns. If I asked I might have been able to sneak an AR-15 into the picture, and maybe a 336 marlin. or a nice SW 686 revolver. but those are the ones in my room. and Im at my moms. lol
I was looking at camo at dicks that's like a more reasonable ghillie suit. just a jacket. could be worn over underarmour.
But I assume the .308 and the 12 Guage will get more work than the .22 but it's there.
also I have no clue about scent control. what does that involve? I tried calling some 'Yotes in on the little bit of cattle land I live on. no luck. I was sittin on the front porch swing. just callin. but no biters. I can't shoot where I live because my Landlords wife is nervous. I know old harold wouldn't mind losing some pests to stop harrassing his cattle. But the old lady says no. haha. frustrating since it is prime hunting land.
I even have a 600 yard two way stretch of field. very frustrating.
Also. I want to know If FMJ from a .308 will drop em like a .223 hollowpoint.
 
My suggestion would be some quality optics, a nice scope for the .308, and a good pair of binos.
 
1. yes to the good scope suggestion although i have no experience with what you already have.
2. scent control is debatable for deer, not as much for coyotes, and in many cases involves spraying yourself down with something. nothing REALLY hides your scent though. The best thing to do (other than washing clothes in something with no added scents) to control scent is determine the dominant wind direction, think about the direction that the game you seek may travel, and make sure the wind blows your scent away from any foreseeable approaching game. My coyote kills have been mostly luck with the stinking things showing up while I was hunting somewhere else.
3. if Georgia is like NC (terrain) then calling is going to be difficult. That's more of a western/open country thing. It's doable, i hear, but I haven't been able to do so successfully because of the lay of the land here. sound doesn't carry like it does out west.
4. Deer see blue very well, so if you are wearing jeans, try to cover your legs with something like an overhanging branch or blown down tree. It stands out to them because of the make up of their eyes (cones and rods and such, maybe a biologist will explain later)
5. I assume you meant fmjs for coyotes, because you should NOT be using FMJ's for deer. Frankly I don't think you should use FMJ's for either. While it may (key word MAY) work for coyotes, it won't work for deer, and each load shoots differently from each rifle, so if a rifle is pulling double duty and you are changing ammo, that means you will have to re-zero every time you decide to go with an actual deer round. OR, it will mean you go out coyote hunting, see a deer, and have to watch it walk off because your rifle/scope are set up for the FMJ's. I suggest you just find a good deer round that your rifle likes and use it for the dogs as well. If you don't want to use a deer round for coyotes for some reason (everyone is different after all) then just take the shot gun and the rifle, that way you can bust the coyotes with some buck shot.
6. (unsolicited add-on) if you are only hunting cow pastures (you didn't say that, but you did mention cattle) then i suggest hunting the woods AROUND said pasture. When hunting pressure heats up you won't see many deer or coyotes in open areas during shooting light. It happens but not as often as many people hope.
7. A final comment to you personally: Thank you for asking questions and doing so humbly. Keep that attitude up and you won't catch hell from people as often as you have in previous posts. Humility is a wonderful attribute. We all get cocky from time to time and if I were to see my 14 year old self walking around i would probably beat the heck out of him because he was as arrogant as one can be, but you asked some good questions this time and seem willing to learn. Good job!

1-6 YMMV 7. well that's just absolutely true.
 
That's funny! Your set up looks like mine almost every time I go hunting. I'm still getting used to hunting in the South...

Back in Pa everything had it's season. Seasons didn't really overlap. Small game was in, then just deer or just turkey. One gun.

In Florida everything is one season. You almost have to go into the woods with three guns. One for deer/hog, shotgun for turkey/birds, and .22 for small game/varmits. And I may also take my bow with me. I had to buy a 2 person ground blind. 1/2 for me and 1/2 for all my weapons.
 
thanks. My optics are fine for now. I have other priorities over a scope right now, Im looking at nice camo with artificial foiliage built in. and good varmint lights with red beams. when at work today I saw in a magazine a laser genetics light for 300 some dollars neat, looks small compared to some, but too pricey, also the cattle were sold.. unfortunately I have no more Leeway to persuade Harold until the next herd of calf are here. in a few months I assume. I tried calling the 'yotes about an hour ago. I heard them howl, but none came out.
also I will more likely use a sierra matchking BTHP for everything. as the rangemaster at work loads some HOTTT stuff I tried out, shot reasonably for such a HOTTTT load. but I will see if he can tone it down for me, too much blast, not getting a full burn and the flash at 7 o clock was near blinding out of the 22" barrel a couple weeks back.
So that may help explain everything. this is a better picture of the primary worker for my hunting future.
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please offer any more advise, I want my first hunt to be a sucess. meaning nailing a good sized deer. hopefully a buck.
 
-Natural gear or Predator are fantastic camo patterns no matter where you live.
-Quality optics will do more to add to your success than any light or laser.
-Randy Andersen coyote calls have worked well for me, expecially the two called Thumper and Tweety.
 
thank you. I know I need a better scope. Mine is better than you expect it to be, and you have probably not owned one. if you have. ok.
I am not rapidly replacing the Optic, because I dont want another 200 dollar one. If I replace it im getting either a Millett 4-16x50 TRS-1 Tac.
or a Nikon 4.5-14x40 Buckmaster.
No leupold in my price range with over a 9x power I've seen.
Also I will be gettin' camo this week. as for a light, Im also gettin one. It will have a use im sure.
And My regular every day boots will be fine. and I also have a pair of SWAT tactical boots.
For my first hunt I will use either 165 grain Hornady soft points or a custom load.
Good night thr.
 
For hunting, other than prairie dogs and such, a fixed 4X takes care of "need". Most any decent 2x7 or 3x9 will cover any reasonable want. For dedicated paper-punching, yeah, more magnification helps.

What I've found in coyote calling to be probably most important is to work with the wind. That affects where I set up with respect to tree lines or brush. Coyotes come from whatever direction, and then commonly circle downwind for the final approach. A proper location can pretty much force them to come in more crosswind, less likely to smell the Happy Hunter.

At night, once I pick up the eyes, I turn the light off and just do a quick flick sweep from time to time. I try to catch their eyes only with the edge of the light, not shining directly at Old Wily.

Once I spot a coyote coming in, I reduce the volume of my calling. I've not been able to tell if pausing between calling times makes any difference or not. I've had coyotes come straight in to a baby boom box with a wounded rabbit tape, playing uninterruptedly. With a mouth call, I tend to call for a bit and then pause for about the same amount of time.

My .243 has a 2x7 on it; it's generally set on 2X when I'm calling coyotes. I guess most shots have been around 30 to 50 yards? I've not kept track other than to figure that they haven't been very long...
 
v I want my first hunt to be a sucess.

This is really more a matter of strategy and experience rather than equipment. While good equipment makes some things easier, theres no substitute for real world experience. I know this isn't what you want to hear but its what I was told when I started. I was so eager to succeed, I set afield with an overpowered load for my shotgun and an impatient mindset. I won't pretend to be an old hand at hunting now but I've learned a lot since I've began.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now and answer your question:
What you should focus on purchasing next is camouflage. Unlike Fido, Coyotes have excellent vision and are very particular about the camouflage. I wouldn't worry about that 3-d camo, I'd just buy a nice set of mossy oak or something like that. Next time you're outside, look around at the foliage that you'd likely be hiding in when you hunt. Take a picture and compare it to all the patterns that are offered and buy a complete suit, head to toe, that matches best. That, along with scent protection, are probably the next things in line for an upgrade.
 
My suggestion would be some quality optics, a nice scope for the .308, and a good pair of binos.

i would agree with this. the super flashy camo is very nice and will make you look very smart... but for deer a set of army surplus fatigues in woodland, dpm or alpenflect (flecktarn maybe?) will be sufficient.

can you team up with an experienced hunter for this? experience is everything- you will also need a willingness to learn, which you have shown by posting here.

Art is right about the magnification thing a quality 4x40 would be better than a bigger spec less quality scope. the difference is in light gathering. most kills will come when it is near on dark.

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I would suggest picking up a couple of good educational/instructional Predator hunting DVDs and a few quality calls & learning how to call like the experts. Practice...practice...practice. You have to get their attention and movement in your direction before the action begins.
 
Don't be surprised if you have a fox come in before a coyote- keep your eyes peeled for foxes. In and around farms they are very common. If you get one to come in, you know you are doing something right- keep at that until you get some coyotes coming in.

Also Art Eatman made mention of wind-- he is right that is where your focus needs to be. Also reducing volume as they come in-- thats going to help as well.

What you may want to try from time to time is starting out with light volume and increasing the volume over time if you get nothing coming in. It's not good to blast loud volume calls if the coyotes are close because it may seem to be unnaturally loud. Once your sure they arent on top of you, go ahead and let it rip, to try and reach out to them if they are farther out.

If it's windy- let it rip from the get go
 
something simple I do with all my rifles. I go to walmart, buy a bag of those little "grenade" water balloons (they are green and when filled look like grenades). I put them on my barrel to keep dirt and sand out. Tape will also work (electrical).
 
Keep your setup simple, light, and mobile. The fewer gadgets the better. You aren't going to want to carry a huge scope adorned with a spotlight. A low power scope and some coyote calls will work great, electronic or otherwise. I love a 4x or 2-7x32 scope for coyotes. Daytime hunting coyotes would be a great way to start out.
 
I don't see a knife in the picture. Or latex gloves.
Get a good knife and learn how to field-dress a deer; otherwise, don't hunt them...Blast away at the yotes though.
 
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