Crazy guy stabs people in NY - off-duty cop shoots him

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Of course, you have a good point, that is if a guy keeps being violent to the extreme, and keeps hurting or attempting to people, because either he/she cannot be cured, treated, or refuses treatment (such as stops taking meds) - then maybe execution is warranted. That would save all around with regard to suffering of more victims, expenses of treating and caring for the psycho, housing him/her (all tax dollars of course); and it maybe better than a lobotomy in the long run. Still though I would think that such a person would be entitled to a fair trial like anyone else, would have to be judged by a jury of his peers, and would get all the same legal benefits as would anyone else before having a death sentence passed on him or her (I am an equal execution opportunity sort of a guy when it comes to gender).


I agree. It's sort of like a dog who has proven that he wont stop biting people. They just need to be put down. People have a right to be born into this world, but what you do from there is your choice. You have to earn the right to keep on living. This guy is a fine example of someone who has failed to earn that right. Just like a dog, he has proven himself a burden and a danger to society. Do we keep dangerous animals in institutions to try and make them better? No. We put them down. Give him the needle, he wont be missed.
 
I think the whole story is weird. New Yorkers are weird.

Susan Barron, 67, who was walking to church to have her dog blessed,
A dog blessed! :what:


Chef Amarjit Singh, 56, was slashed across the face and neck as he tried to stop Coleman
What the heck was he thinking, going after a nut armed with knives himself unarmed.


Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
Bloombergs good samaritan laws. :barf:
 
"I am still reeling from the last line in the article."


Me too. THEY wanted to get him - the hero who shot the maniac. If he had had a beer for lunch they would have confiscated his gun and probably arrested him and tried to get him fired.

Of course this wasn't a racial Hate Crime, I'm sure.
 
Susan Barron, 67, who was walking to church to have her dog blessed,

It's not weird if you're Catholic and it's the feast day of a Saint, like Saint Francis, who I believe is the patron Saint of animals. Since we Catholics often bless our selves, houses, cars, and guns (in my case) with holy water, why not a pet?
 
"He was chopping down on her," said Andrew Fink, 29, who was getting into a cab when the attack took place. "I saw him hit her at least 10 times. She was screaming and crawling along the street and people were running away.

I hope all of those that ran away torment themselves endlessly until they grow a pair. The only thing wrong with New York (as with most large urban centers) is that the people have stopped relying on themselves, and stopped caring about their neighbors.
 
Regarding the fact that he only took 1 shot... Thats great for a cop, and possibly the (legally) correct response.

Personally speaking, id have unloaded the magazine into him. People like this shouldnt be allowed to continue taking up space or breathing air. Plus, whoever had to wrestle him to the ground was at risk since this guy apparently was carrying a dozen knives on his person.
 
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A real hero is the Singh guy.

The only other person to come to aid was the one that just got stabbed and slashed. Where the hell was everyone else?

Jeesus, How can people stand and watch this sort of thing?

You have to understand that most people today are not vigilant, or don't believe that anything can happen to them. In New York, I'd imagine this would be very prevalent. "You don't need guns because the police can protect you." It's just that people today have decided that they no longer have an obligation to defend themselves or otherwise take protective measures because we have police. So, when someone does something like this, they aren't prepared. They're in shock. They don't react- they freeze. I would never count on innocent bystanders to assist me if I were to be attacked, and no one else should either. Most people just aren't prepared for violence, and it just shows the need to maintain situational awareness- even if it's a crowded, well-lit, public area.
 
I want this to be a turning point for gun ownership in NYC. Even if Chin has to sit in jail for awhile to let the stupidity of it sink in to others. Since he was off duty was the gun even legal? I hope the media gets out the fact that a private citizen stopped a murder with a gun and was in turn given a sobriety test.
 
Regarding the fact that he only took 1 shot... Thats great for a cop, and possibly the (legally) correct response.

You mean (media) correct response. The media loves to paint cops like murderous animals when the fire more then a couple rounds. It is a shame. :cuss:
 
just another gift from the gun control freaks. I for one, would not let the city of NY dictate whether or not I could defend myself.

Remember, when you are under attack, and every second counts................ the cops are only minutes away.
 
An incident like this one happened in Philly a while back. A mentally ill man was threatening passersby with a K-bar but didn't actually stab anyone. The police showed up after a short while and the threat ended quickly. It was judged to be 'suicide by cop'.
 
Sobriety Test

The reason for the test is that one of the shooters in the Bell case (the guy killed by cops after he left a Bachelors’ party at a strip club) had been inbibing adult beverages while on duty - then went out and shot at Bell.

It is standard proceedure.
 
10:40 am and he's getting a sobriety check?

Yep. Old Bloomie doesn't even trust his own police force. I'm shocked that the Police Union didn't just come unglued over that one.....it just started a week ago.
 
I wonder if it was Mayor Bloomberg being stabbed if he would welcome a CCW coming to his aid.

Oops, I forgot.

He has bodyguards wherever he goes.
 
I find it ironic that the cop, who was carrying a gun off-duty, was called a hero while it is illegal for any non-LEO to carry a gun.
Please get your facts straight. NYC does issue CCW permits. Rarely, but they do.
 
And - just FYI - they *are* going after knives in the UK now, big campaigns in the newspapers, etc. So it is not implausible.
 
"He was chopping down on her," said Andrew Fink, 29, who was getting into a cab when the attack took place. "I saw him hit her at least 10 times. She was screaming and crawling along the street and people were running away.

Jeesus, How can people stand and watch this sort of thing?

I'll tell you how. We have become a nation of cowards, full of apathy, with an attitude that allows for this type of thing.

We have debated several times on this forum whether or not to engage a threat. There are several posters, more than I can believe, that have stated:
-"I'll be a good witness or call 911."
-"Unless it is a direct threat to me or my family, I'm not getting involved."
-"If it doesn't involve you, stay out of it."

I have said repeatedly that each person must make up their own mind when it comes to engaging a situation, and I will respect their right to choose. In addition, I don't advocate playing Rambo and trying to be the hero that saves the day. But for the life of me, I would never be able to respect a CCW holder that witnessed a defenseless woman being stabbed 10+ times, and the CCW holder not doing anything about it. There is just no excuse someone can give me on that, which will help me reconcile that type of attitude. When the article itself is talking about how people are running away from this, it makes me sick to my stomach.

The sheep mentality of our society is disgusting and pathetic. Nobody has to be a hero, but you are telling me that someone, anyone, couldn't have grabbed SOMETHING and tried to stop this guy. Shameful.

On to the gun aspect, here in Salt Lake City a few months ago, it was an off duty cop that was ARMED, that stopped the shootings in a mall. When are people going to wise up and realize it doesn't matter who or what it is, danger will always be around, and because of that, people need to be able to defend themselves.

:banghead::fire::banghead::fire::banghead::fire:
 
City should be proud of Amarjit, hero at 2nd Ave. slashing

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/10/07/2007-10-07_city_should_be_proud_of_amarjit_hero_at_.html

His sliced ear was hanging off his face and his blood was pooling at his feet as 56-year-old Amarjit Singh stood on the corner looking desperately for help.

Then Singh gazed back up Second Ave. toward the Texas Smokehouse restaurant, where he had been preparing for another long day as a chef when the bare-chested madman came in and grabbed at least four knives from the kitchen.

The madman who had slashed Singh and sent him fleeing down to E. 34th St. was now up at the next corner, repeatedly stabbing a 67-year-old woman outside the Gemini Diner.

Singh instantly made a decision that proved him one of our city's very best and bravest. This chef from Queens by way of India became New York royalty as he forgot his own wounds and dashed straight back into the mortal danger he had just been so lucky to escape.

The madman looked up from the bloodied woman and rose on seeing the courageous Singh approach. A 25-year-old onlooker named Antionette Brown watched amazed as the madman slowly backed up. He was clutching at least four knives but seemed unnerved by Singh's uncommon courage and selflessness, as if Evil were being vanquished purely by the power of Good.

"He probably saved her life," Brown later said.

Another representative of Good appeared, in the person of off-duty Police Officer Gregory Chin stepping from the diner. He identified himself and ended up shooting the still-crazed madman once in the stomach only after ordering him five times to drop the knives.

In the meanwhile, Singh grabbed towels and aprons from the Smokehouse. Onlookers then watched Singh ignore his own wounds as he sought to stem the woman's bleeding. He was joined by two off-duty New Jersey firefighters.

Other cops arrived, along with paramedics. The woman and Singh were rushed to the hospital, as was the gunman.

"Still fighting," a cop later noted.

The area was closed off with crime scene tape. Police identified the woman as 67-year-old Susan Barron and said she had been attacked while on her way with her little black Scottish terrier, Velvet, to Good Shepherd Church on E. 31st St. for the annual blessing of the pets.

"Obviously not a Brooklyn dog," one officer said. "I don't want to disparage Manhattan dogs, but a good Brooklyn dog would have ended it before the cop got there."

The officer looked over to the pile of bloodstained aprons and towels at the southwest corner of E. 35th St. and Second Ave., where Singh had knelt to help the woman while his own blood poured down his face.

"Good guy," the officer said.

A block down at the southwest corner of E. 34th St. and Second Ave., a disturbingly large bloodstain was turning a dark brown on the sun-baked sidewalk where Singh had stood looking for help. He had been bleeding heavily enough that the blood had run along a seam in the pavement.

But where most sidewalk bloodstains mark only another of the city's horrors, this irregular, 2-foot-wide patch of gore recorded the spot where a chef who came here from Punjab two decades ago proved himself one of the city's great blessings. He was already the father of three grown children and was known to his family as hardworking, gentle, friendly and "a very good guy."

He now also becomes kin to such other remarkably good guys as the construction worker who threw himself atop a stranger as a subway train bore down on them.

Singh could have continued fleeing down Second Ave. from the madman who had just slashed him. Or he could have remained on that bloody spot until help came. He did not.

And after that blood is washed away, we should not forget the choice Amarjit Singh made on the morning of Oct. 6, 2007, as he stood at the corner of E. 34th St. and Second Ave.
 
why is it important that Chin was an off-duty cop? Nobody ever talks about off-duty dentists or off-duty accountants. Once you become a cop that's all you are from that day forward? He may have been a cop, but he was off-duty.

Chin's actions to stop the knife wielding attacker in his own time should not be expected of him ... anymore than an off-duty taxidriver should be expected to drive people around free of charge. His actions were above and beyond the call of duty.

And Singh can perhaps be judged to have been foolish, following an armed and unstable man, but at least he did something .... which is a darn site better than standing there tut-tutting and waiting for the madman to turn the knife on you. He tried to stem the woman's bleeding despite being injured himself .... how many people would do that?

I think its easy to know exactly what should or should not be done from a comfy armchair .... much less easy when thrust unexpectedly into a bizarre and life-threatening situation.

Spinner
 
Good for the two good guys.

To be honest, I fail to see the point on railing against New York in this case. A CCW was needed and one was available. Good.

Oh, but he was a cop... What ever. As if it isn't a positive firearms story unless a non-LEO is involved. Like you'd care who shot someone off of you if necessary.

Again, good for the two good guys and pray for the lady.
 
Too bad that Singh could not have had a permit and could have ended it much sooner. Too bad the lady that was stabbed couldn't have shot him either. That was the problem. I don't have the time to wait for an off duty cop to come around and they just got lucky.
 
The chef story and the shooting story are slightly different (to be expected) bottom line they were both instrumental in helping the victim of the stabbing (women), funny how some can deride the woman for having the gall to mention going to the church and "blessing her pet" in a story as sickening as this.

She is a cancer victim out taking her dog for a walk and you bad mouth her :confused:
Very fortunate she had a neck brace on or he would have cut her neck and killed her. Now she will be recovering from that attack along with the cancer that is trying to kill her.

Oh Well, that is part of the forum and discussion I guess, some folks show their trueselves for sure.

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The crazed mental patient got into several confrontations while running up Second Ave. near 35th St. before he took aim at Susan Barron, 67, who was walking to church to have her dog blessed, sources said
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Dog blessing? Attacked by crazed knife wielding man while going to get your dog blessed. Only in NYC do you find people like this.

Well, not entirely true. Sometimes, they move to South Florida to retire.

BTW, just because someone's dog talks nice to you is no reason to assume that she is a cheap floozy dog.
 
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