CZ-75b musings

[DMK]

I love my CZs. I've owned my 9mm CZ75B and a CZ40B for about 9 years. I used both in USPSA competition and neither let me down. Both have been rock solid reliable. I only use quality Mec-Gar or CZ factory mags, so maybe this helps.

Just last year, I bought a second CZ-75B in 40S&W. This has been reliable so far, but I only have about 200-300 rounds through it. When I got it, it was in a plastic bag covered in light oil (not cosmoline). A field strip, wipe down and clean up with CLP got it ready to go.

As far as the 22LR Kadet kit, I highly recommend one. Mine was my first accessory for my 9mm 75B. I bought it just a few months after I got the gun. It has many thousands of rounds through it and has never given me any bit of trouble. It shoots very well too. When I got my second 75B, I found that it fit and works fine on it as well. I have a couple 22LR revolvers and an old C&R 22LR Walther PP, but I rarely shoot those. The Kadet is my primary 22LR handgun and has shot hundreds of rounds for every one round through the others.

 

[DMK]

Beretta or a Glock.

when i have a better job though, i will certainly get a 92FS

If you want a Beretta or Glock, that's fine. They are great guns. But don't think you need to trade up when you can afford the more expensive guns.

I have a friend who has Beretta. He spent a year looking and researching, to find just the right gun. I've shot it quite a bit. It's nice, but I can't see that it does anything my CZ won't. It doesn't feel any better, doesn't shoot any better. IMO, he paid an extra $200 just for the name.

 

[dom1104]

Couple things.

The modern CZs, are the P01,PCR, and the SP01

Both have upswept beaver tails, pic rails, and the new ergos on the grip.

The CZ 75 SA also has the new grip ergos.

The P01 and PCR are very light, the SP01 is very heavy.

The design DOES limit your ability to glock-like ham handed slide racks, that is a deficiency in its design.

I have to slingshot it, which is fine, because you have to slingshot the Kadet kit normally so its a training thing. You slingshot CZs, you can do the overhand slide rack almost any other pistol. It CAN be done on a CZ but it is difficult.

The idea that a CZ has a low bore axis is false. it is normal relatively to most other handguns. It appears it might be lower, but if you measure it is in the normal range.

The trigger DA pull makes a DRAMATIC improvement with a few hundred dry fires, also the competition hammer cleans it up, or a trigger job from Wilson. It is however horrible out of the box.

I have found you can change the mainsprings out all over the place without compromising reliability at least with doubletap SD rounds, and winchester white box.

Its a great pistol. the best? probably not. the best for 400 bucks? Yes I think it is.

Also, another benefit is, the Kadet mags fit into your mag holders for your 9mm mags, and the kadet fits into the holster for your main gun.

There is a savings right there of about 100 dollars easy.

 

[Gun Noob]

Can you use the Kadet kit with the CZ75 compact or the P01? I assume it won't work with the D PCR guns regardless because of the decocker, right?

The idea of being able to shoot .22 lr out of the same gun I carry is very appealing. Seems like it would be good for practice.

 

[Moonclips]

The CZ75B points so well and handles recoil very well. One can get 12-round MecGar mags for it. My only gripes with it are:
(1) the slide serrations are not too grippy such that if one puts in heavyweight recoil springs on them for use in hotter .40S&W ammo (e.g., Double Tap, etc.), racking the slide is a bit stiff and
(2) cleaning the inside of the slide is bit cumbersome because it has a lot of harder to reach areas.

My two-tone in .40S&W

 

[Moonclips]

This one I regret selling. Also in .40S&W

 

[Grey Morel]

Having owend multiple specimens of both, and still owning at least one of each, I would assert that this is certainly 'opinion' rather than fact. I'd further ask for supporting evidence.


Larry

+1 ... I have owned multiple Glocks and Berettas, even Sigs. The CZ-75 is no budget gun. It is every bit as good a gun as any of the above. It is every bit as reliable, and probably MORE accurate; it was the first handgun I ever owned that put all of the rounds into the 10 ring from the first trigger pull: everything else required me to get used to shooting it first.

CZ is not second rate, nor is it simply "good for the money". The CZ-75 is a fine combat handgun at anything approaching a reasonable price.

As for the slide, I have never had even the slightest problem with it. The slide lock lever is gargantuan on the thing: the chances of bungling a slide lock reload are pretty much nill, so that's how I run it.

 

[beltjones]

+1 ... I have owned multiple Glocks and Berettas, even Sigs. The CZ-75 is no budget gun. It is every bit as good a gun as any of the above. It is every bit as reliable, and probably MORE accurate; it was the first handgun I ever owned that put all of the rounds into the 10 ring from the first trigger pull: everything else required me to get used to shooting it first.

CZ is not second rate, nor is it simply "good for the money". The CZ-75 is a fine combat handgun at anything approaching a reasonable price.

As for the slide, I have never had even the slightest problem with it. The slide lock lever is gargantuan on the thing: the chances of bungling a slide lock reload are pretty much nill, so that's how I run it.

Agreed. There is no way the CZ 75B gives anything away to Glock, Beretta, Sig, or any other brand. They are excellent out of the box, and reasonably easy to mod if you're into that sort of thing. They are safe, reliable, and very accurate. The ergonomics are just about perfect for me - that slide lock lever is in the perfect place to never get bumped even with a high thumbs forward grip, yet it is a snap to actuate with the left thumb during a slide lock reload.

I think to a certain extent money should be no object when choosing a defensive pistol, but to say that someone is giving up some quality or functionality by choosing a CZ is ludicrous.

 

[ozmosis]

CZ and the other guys..........

Really think the "mine is better than yours" type attitude is silly in a lot of ways, having been on the "Only a Custom .45 ACP only will save your life" camp for a few years and now I just giggle at my former attitude. What ever you think will work is what you need, I am using CZ P-01 right now, will it change next year? I doubt it, they have been dependable for the last 5 years, still work as I expect them to and other than some holster wear the finish is holding up well.
I think this is why I stopped coming to the high road in the first place a few years ago, people posting things about stuff they have not used and the trolls worshiping magic pistols. Share your legitimate experience and leave your opinions on equipment you do not own or have not used to your self. Please add to the discussion and inform.
The CZ platform is robust, well thought out and dependable equipment, out of the box and do not require 500 rounds to break in. BTW I do own a lot of other manufactures, but for CCW its the CZ P-01 (which I own three of).
As long as you train with it, it works every time (100% reliable) you can hit a pie plate at 50 feet with it then any manufacture will work- metal or plastic.

 

[schmeky]

^^Well said^^

 

[Grey Morel]

Agreed.

We live in a Golden Age of pistol craft. A wide range of fine handguns are availible from a slew of manufacturors, and at a variety of price ranges. The elitism which plagues the gun culture is nothing but an unfounded relic of years past.

There was a time in the memory of many yet living when the consumers only option in the field of reliable autoloaders was to pay through the nose for a Colt, or to pay through the nose for a rare foreign gun such as J.P. Sauer or FN Herstal. This is no longer the case, as good weapons are availible to those on nearly any budget; the law of diminishing returns rules the modern autoloader market.

 

[hanno]

Ozmisis nailed it. +1

 

[Pilot]

Yep. Ozmosis got it.

My CZ-75D PCR has been my daily carry for 10 years. Yeah, sometimes my HK P7 shares that role, but over Sigs, Berettas, and HK's I own, the nod usually goes to the CZ.