CZ 75b vs SR9c

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AustinTX said:
The guns are so different that I have a hard time understanding a decision process that produces these two as the final candidates.

I'm with you on this AustinTX.

However, I did own a CZ P-01 for a few years and did carry it routinely. I really liked the gun (and would own another), but I wanted something smaller to carry - it was too big for me to carry and conceal. I have now owned the SR9c for about three years and carry it daily. I am most happy with the SR9c.

And BTW, the SR9c (having less complicated innards) is far easier to clean/lube than the P-01 was.
 
The CZ75 is a long-in-the-tooth design, with the shortcomings of 1970's design.

Thanks, but I'd stick with a 1911 at that weight and size.

A rather ironic and conflicting set of statements there, I must say!


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I know people that carry a full size CZ
Mine (SS Full sized 75B with 18 rounds of 9 or 15 of .40) works well with a good gunbelt (thebeltman.com) and a Crossbreed holster, obviously in cooler months. Go cheap on the belt and holster and you will hate most everything you try to carry, even small and light.


Proper equipment is everything, as is the will to carry such a large gun. I carry a 4" S&W N Frame IWB, so a CZ-75 is quite doable.


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Also, not to start a fight, but I'm curious about the Ruger SR series trigger. When they first hit the market, the triggers were, to put it kindly, terrible. Among the worst I and many others ever felt. I'm sure a search will turn up older threads on the topic. They were rough, stiff as a board with a sudden jerk upon release. Now they are described as wonderful and the best in a polymer pistol.

What changed in the intervening years? Just curious.
 
Which SR series gun did you shoot - the SR9? From the beginning and even until today, I find the SR9c trigger to be very good. Even Hickok45 said so, lol.
 
I've never fired one, but I've dry fired perhaps 5. All early first year SR9s. I like the way they feel in my hand, though granted I'm not the biggest polymer fan in the world as the weight of the gun doesn't bother me in the slightest for carry.

At least the triggers were all consistent in their terrible-ness. :D
 
SR9C light trigger

The SR 9C trigger is rated as one of the lightest in the striker fired pistol market. That is one of the reasons it remains on my must have list.
 
Call me crazy but I do not like the SR trigger, I find it to be too light, just my opinion. The two CZ75s I have had I really liked their triggers.
 
The SR9 is about 400 dollars.

You have to remember, people making statements of "Best/lightest" trigger likely are coming from guns under 400.

The SR9 trigger weight is within even a glock's variation. Glock has long been surpassed by many trigger weights (P99, PPQ, P30, Sig 2022, CZ07/09).

The SR9 trigger is nothing special. For about 100 dollars more, ABOUT ever option out there has a better trigger in terms of weight and/or reset.

Shoot, even a Taurus G2 at 200-300 dollars has a lighter weight.
 
Now looking at FNS 9

I am now looking at FNS 9 or PPQ. The FNS has a lower bore axis and has great reviews. I want a safety; so that's another plus for FNS. Just not feeling the love for all steel CZ 75. I know it's a classic but I just am not wanting to press with right now. Striker fired pistols just have my preference.
 
Friend of mine showed me his newish Steyr. Has put thousands of rounds through it with no failure and it has probably the coolest sights I've seen on a handgun. Buds for <$500.
 
Striker fired pistols just have my preference.

It hasn't happened to me yet, but I like the fact that in case I hit a stubborn primer in self-defense situation, I will have the chance to give it another hit with the DA.

After all, with carry gun I want to minimize any chance of failure. My CZ 75 Compact D has had no fails so far.
 
Snejdarek said:
It hasn't happened to me yet, but I like the fact that in case I hit a stubborn primer in self-defense situation, I will have the chance to give it another hit with the DA.

Encountering a hard primer is a rather rare occurrence with modern ammunition. Unless you have a tendency to shoot military surplus ball rounds which can often be harder than commercial. With practice, you can rack the slide faster than pulling the trigger rather than worrying about if it is a hard or bad primer, because second strike will only help with one. The useful part of second strike is dry fire is less irritating.
 
I guess I'm a CZ fanboy in the making. All I had to go on were reviews of the CZ75 line. I was looking for something a little lighter and more compact for carrying than a full size all steel CZ75B, so I opted to get a PCR. I'm very happy with the gun and so far, it has been flawless. I'm thinking my next handgun purchase will be a full sized version for range use. Probably a CZ75B or BD.
 
I'm a CZ fanboy, too, and have had a large number of different models over the years. I still have an 85 Combat that has been slightly tuned, a custom AT-84s, and am shooting a Sphinx SDP on loan from the importer. They're all great guns and the last two cited are based closely upon the CZ pattern. (I've had a number of Witnesses, too, and like them as well.)

The original poster was comparing the full-size 75B to the compact SR9c -- two different types of guns. In terms of size and weight, not performance or quality, comparing the full-size 75B to the SR9c is like comparing the Chevy Impala to the Chevy Cruz. A better comparison might be the "full-size" SR9 to the compact CZ 75 PCR, or comparing the even more-compact CZ (the RAMI) to the SR9c.

In the following paragraphs I take it a bit farther off track, and compare a different CZ and a different Ruger, but two guns that are more evenly matched.

I have an early SR9 which I like a lot. It had the older trigger, which wasn't great -- but I improved it with the Ghost trigger kit. The trigger is still a bit heavier than I like, but it is a clean/crisp trigger. The gun is very accurate. The later SR9cs and new SR9s have a much-improved trigger over what I had with my original SR9.

I have had several a CZ 75 Compacts (the capital C denoting the steel-framed version of the compact line). They were good guns, but almost as heavy as the full-size gun and I saw little advantage over the full-size gun. I've never owned a compact (alloy-framed, with decocker) such as the P-01 or PCR), but do like their lighter weight. I always thought that a safety-equipped alloy gun would be the best combo, and they are now available, through the CZ Custom Shop -- or in some models equipped with the Omega trigger system.

When you compare the SR9 to the PCR you see that they are quite similar. I used their respective websites for the details but the CZ site's info is incomplete and that forces you to use their manuals -- which are in centimeters. (I used a web converter, but some of the conversions from centimeters to inches may be a little off.) In the following display, I've compared the FULL SIZE SR9 to the COMPACT PCR, but as you can see, there is only a little difference in size. The SR9C, not compared, is even smaller and lighter than the PCR. The SR9 is smaller than the full-size CZ75B.

Weight:...........PCR=25.4 oz......vs......SR9=26.5
Capacity:.........PCR=14 rounds...vs.....SR9=17 rounds.
Height:............PCR=5.03".........vs......SR9=5.5"
Barrel length:....PCR=3.62".........vs......SR9=4.14"
Overall Length:..PCR=7.24".........vs......SR9=7.5"

The SR9 is very close in size a to the PCR and weighs only an ounce more; it's 1/4" longer but with a barrel that is 1/2" longer. The SR9c is even smaller than the PCR. The PCR, weighs 2 oz. less, is .5" shorter overall, with a barrel that is only .2" of shorter.

What's the big difference? Both companies have exceptional customer service and support. The PCR has a metal frame, is hammer-fired and has a decocker. The SR9 (or SR9c) is poly-framed, with safety, and is striker-fired. Those differences seem to be the most compelling. If you like metal frames and hammers, you'll likely go the CZ compact route. If you like poly frames and strikers, you'll likely go the Ruger SR9/SR9c route. If you have no preferences, you might be lured by the Ruger's slightly lower costs. Buying used, it's not a big issue, either way.

I like both, but would probably find myself carrying the SR9 (or SR9c) more often -- mostly because I don't like the differences between the first and second trigger pulls on the decocker-equipped hammer-fired guns. (That's a very subjective thing and many folks don't care about the issue.) The Rugers also have fully adjustable sights, a plus to some, but meaningless to others. If you want a more-compact guns, then the CZ RAMI and the SR9C are the guns to compare.

The new CZ P-07 might be a better match to the SR9 or SR9c, and it seems to be a fine weapon. I have no experience with that model, yet -- and THAT was not the subject of this discussion.
 
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With practice, you can rack the slide faster than pulling the trigger rather than worrying about if it is a hard or bad primer, because second strike will only help with one.

The Czech Republic is safe enough for self-defense scenario needing involvement of firearm being extremely improbable. Shoot-out next to impossible. Any self-defense would be most probably happening during a struggle when the second hand may simply not be available for slide-racking.

I agree that hard primer is highly improbable, but then again, so is the use of the gun in the first place. By using that logic, I would end up with the pistol permanently in safe instead of having it on me with bullet in chamber (again, racking the slide involves the possibility of failure, which is not something I want to deal with in self-defense situation either).
 
Another factor at work when people discuss the advantages of a second-strike capability is that they assume the second pull will work... and that sometimes is NOT the case. Then your faced with the same decision.

Just racking the slide might be the most sensible response most of the time if you have a failure to ignite but I'll probably pull the trigger again, too... 'cause I've not trained myself to do otherwise. If it's a striker-fired gun without restrike capability, I'll probably still pull the triger a second time (again, because I've not trained myself to do otherwise) and ust delayed the inevitable.

If you're low on ammo you have to keep that in mind, too -- as wasting a round that MIGHT fire could be a problem.

No easy answers to this question.
 
Another factor at work when people discuss the advantages of a second-strike capability is that they assume the second pull will work... and that sometimes is NOT the case.

In my experience, hitting a primer a second time after a failure to fire usually does work.
 
CZ 75 without a doubt. Check out the 75D PCR for carry or the P-01 if you want a rail. There are a few differences between the two, but the PCR is lighter, has a smaller/smoother front, and has sights that some find more conducive to carry.
 
... but the PCR is lighter, has a smaller/smoother front, and has sights that some find more conducive to carry.

The PCR is lighter (by a fraction) and also slimmer than the P-01. The claim about the PCR's better sights, however, continues to confuse me.

Both the P-01 and PCR rear sights have a flat rear surface that CAN snag on clothing as the gun is drawn from an IWB or OWB holster. The sloped front of the PCR's Novak-style rear sight offers no additional advantage after the rear of the sight has cleared any potential clothing snags. That being the case, what makes the sight better?
 
The CZ75 and SR9C are so different that if one is trying to decide between the two for the same purpose I would imagine this person doesn't know what he or she likes in guns yet and should figure that out before they plop down some Benjamin Franklins. However, with your intended purpose including CC for your wife a more compact size and simple manual of arms is more appropriate. I believe the SR9C is a better choice.
 
The CZ75 and SR9C are so different that if one is trying to decide between the two for the same purpose I would imagine this person doesn't know what he or she likes in guns yet and should figure that out before they plop down some Benjamin Franklins. However, with your intended purpose including CC for your wife a more compact size and simple manual of arms is more appropriate. I believe the SR9C is a better choice.
Exactly this.
 
The CZ75 and SR9C are so different that if one is trying to decide between the two for the same purpose I would imagine this person doesn't know what he or she likes in guns yet and should figure that out before they plop down some Benjamin Franklins. However, with your intended purpose including CC for your wife a more compact size and simple manual of arms is more appropriate. I believe the SR9C is a better choice.
Agree that they are different. There are better comparisons than the 75B in the CZ line. They have already been mentioned several times. PCR, P-01, P-07.
 
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