armoredman
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Certainly not Mex carry!
CZ, Decock lever or no decock lever?
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Kinda gives a whole new meaning to decock lever now doesn't it?
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Hope Art's Grandma doesn't dis-apprecitate the occasional odd double entendre... or at least allows it to flow gracefully over her head.
P97
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I prefer the decockers.
I started out thinking a decocker was the way to go. I soon realized that it was not for me. That first long pull just did not work for me. If a situation happened where I need to defend myself I would have no confidence in that first shot. I now purchase my guns accordingly.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
Medusa
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Umm, on my CZ 75B you can put the safety on only when the hammer is full cocked, if not then you can't apply the safety. CZ factory notes that the safety is used for either cocked&locked carry, or when you take a pause in shooting.
I can't decide.
This is turning out to be a tough decision for me. There are so many good points for either side.
On one hand, with no decock lever I can still elect to manually decock the pistol. I could carry in any condition I might want. I have more flexibility to change my carry style as I gain experience. The disadvantage being that after a situation where I used the pistol for self defense my motor skills might not be at 100% and I might not manually decock as well as I do at the practice range. However, I should be able to get the safety back on. However, if I then need the pistol again because the situation turns out not to be under control - second attacker or first attacker recovering- would I remember to take the safety back off. Hmmm
On the other hand, with a decock lever I could decock safely in any situation, stressful or not. I also would never make the mistake of leaving the safety on. However, my first shot accuracy might be affected. I think I am leaning to this because at self defense ranges I think I could still hit center of mass even with a DA trigger pull. Hmmmm.
This is turning out to be a tough decision for me. There are so many good points for either side.
On one hand, with no decock lever I can still elect to manually decock the pistol. I could carry in any condition I might want. I have more flexibility to change my carry style as I gain experience. The disadvantage being that after a situation where I used the pistol for self defense my motor skills might not be at 100% and I might not manually decock as well as I do at the practice range. However, I should be able to get the safety back on. However, if I then need the pistol again because the situation turns out not to be under control - second attacker or first attacker recovering- would I remember to take the safety back off. Hmmm
On the other hand, with a decock lever I could decock safely in any situation, stressful or not. I also would never make the mistake of leaving the safety on. However, my first shot accuracy might be affected. I think I am leaning to this because at self defense ranges I think I could still hit center of mass even with a DA trigger pull. Hmmmm.
I know when I first started carrying I was on the decocker side of things. I had the same worries as you and here I am now on the total other side of where I started. I hated the double action first shot. No matter how hard I practiced that first shot was always low of my aim point. And to me, that first shot was the most important. The same way you thinks everybody was staring at you when you first started carrying is the same train of thought on the decocker situation. It will pass. I carry a Glock or an XD now. No manual safeties or long trigger pulls. Same pull every time.
Good luck with your dilemma.
Good luck with your dilemma.
-terry
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I have a 75B stainless. You can decock two ways, the way other posters have mentioned, or from hammer down, by partially pulling the trigger till the hammer gets to half cock position, then releasing the trigger.
One thing to note is that the CZ has a very, very nice DA pull. It is not real heavy, but heavy enough for safety. From the decocked position, the DA pull is shorter. That is how I carry it...decocked with the short DA pull.
It's similar to my Walther P99c on half cock. A nice short DA pull. I can be quite accurate with this DA pull.
But if I want, I can still carry C&L. It's nice to have the different modes available.
-terry
One thing to note is that the CZ has a very, very nice DA pull. It is not real heavy, but heavy enough for safety. From the decocked position, the DA pull is shorter. That is how I carry it...decocked with the short DA pull.
It's similar to my Walther P99c on half cock. A nice short DA pull. I can be quite accurate with this DA pull.
But if I want, I can still carry C&L. It's nice to have the different modes available.
-terry
robctwo
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I have the decocker on the 75BD and P-01. Single action on the 97B and IPSC Standard. I'm good to go with double action first shot at most ranges. If I get a situation where the double action might be an issue with accuracy I just cock the thing with my thumb. If it's inside 25 yards I can hit just fine in double action first shot. We are required to shoot the first shot that way in speed steel with the DA pistols, so draw and fire is something to practice.
P. Plainsman
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I own two CZ pistols, a 75B (traditional DA/SA w/ manual safety, "cocked and locked" capable) and a P-01 (decocker, first shot DA).
First of all: Holy cow, these are good pistols. I have about 2,600 rounds through the pair, without a single malfunction. Quite accurate, excellent ergonomics, good looking, durable, fairly priced. Great guns.
For concealed carry close to the body, I would lean to the decocker models - or use one of the traditional DA/SA models, but carry it with the safety off and the hammer lowered to half-cock for a DA first shot. The manual safety on the traditional CZ 9mm and .40 pistols is reliable but not quite as positive as I'd like. Handling could cause the safety to be wiped off and you might not hear a "click" or other clue. Unlike a 1911, you don't have a grip safety or other backup on the CZ when carrying it cocked and locked. Just the manual safety. (I actually prefer the .380 caliber CZ-83 in this respect: it does have a very crisp, positive manual safety, different mechanics from the safety on the 75-series.)
However, for home use, car use, or open carry with a hammer-strap holster (1911 style), the traditional CZs (DA/SA + safety) are preferred. All else being equal, I want that light single action trigger for the first shot.
Interestingly, although I almost never fired my CZ 75B double action during its first 1,500 rounds, it broke in to have a smooth double action trigger. So far it's better than the DA trigger on my P-01 (which has 700 rounds through it), even though the DA is mandatory for first shot on the P-01.
So I now often lower the 75B's hammer to half-cock (careful! but no problem with practice) and keep it in DA first shot mode.
Let me close by stressing again: these are great pistols.
First of all: Holy cow, these are good pistols. I have about 2,600 rounds through the pair, without a single malfunction. Quite accurate, excellent ergonomics, good looking, durable, fairly priced. Great guns.
For concealed carry close to the body, I would lean to the decocker models - or use one of the traditional DA/SA models, but carry it with the safety off and the hammer lowered to half-cock for a DA first shot. The manual safety on the traditional CZ 9mm and .40 pistols is reliable but not quite as positive as I'd like. Handling could cause the safety to be wiped off and you might not hear a "click" or other clue. Unlike a 1911, you don't have a grip safety or other backup on the CZ when carrying it cocked and locked. Just the manual safety. (I actually prefer the .380 caliber CZ-83 in this respect: it does have a very crisp, positive manual safety, different mechanics from the safety on the 75-series.)
However, for home use, car use, or open carry with a hammer-strap holster (1911 style), the traditional CZs (DA/SA + safety) are preferred. All else being equal, I want that light single action trigger for the first shot.
Interestingly, although I almost never fired my CZ 75B double action during its first 1,500 rounds, it broke in to have a smooth double action trigger. So far it's better than the DA trigger on my P-01 (which has 700 rounds through it), even though the DA is mandatory for first shot on the P-01.
So I now often lower the 75B's hammer to half-cock (careful! but no problem with practice) and keep it in DA first shot mode.
Let me close by stressing again: these are great pistols.
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