Wreck-n-Crew
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Whoa wait...what Glock Like design? It fits a 19 holster but what else even says design?
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"Improving on Perfection". I wonder who's perfection they are improving on? Are we really going to have this conversation? I hope not because this pistol is obviously targeting glock, I think most would agree. With that said I think Cz is capable of making a better striker fired pistol than glock. Time will tell
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It can be said of any object: Other than its virtues, what virtues does it have? Arguments of this form are generally invalid because they convey no information.
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I am about to sound like Bill Clinton, but it depends of what your definition of "design" is. If you mean the engineering design and internals, I'd be curious to see a comparison; I don't know. If you mean the visual design and externals, there is a remarkable resemblance there to my eye, from the slide release to the trigger to the polymer frame. The CZ is visually distinguishable from the Glock, but not so very.
Pretty simple really.... Build a single gun to handle 40, swap out a few parts and you now have a 9mm. Even Glock had to go back and re-engineer the same. 45 requires everything different so its much easier to bring those calibers to market together.
Yes, I understand but right now you would sell more 9's and 45's compared to 40. The markets demand for 40 is down at the moment. If you're going to sell more volume in 45 to me it makes more sense to go ahead and start producing it right away. Why build the 40's that will sit in warehouses when the 45's will probably fly off the shelves. Look how Cz's 40 caliber guns sale vs. 9mm, not even close in comparison. I can't help but think if cz came out with a p07/09 in 45 it would have sold more than the 40 caliber versions. Let's face it, it would not have been hard to top those sales. I like all calibers, but truth is 40 caliber sales are down at the moment.
Wreck-n-Crew
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Simple question directed to an obvious anser is what my statement was eluding to. Truthful words often fall on the deaf ears of the blind!
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I find neither your spelling nor your phrasing especially helpful here. What, if anything, were you thinking?Simple question directed to an obvious anser [sic] is what my statement was eluding [sic] to. Truthful words often fall on the deaf ears of the blind!
It's nice that it fits Glock holsters, but that's only a half measure. They should have taken it further and designed it to accept Glock magazines. Then they'd really have something.
It looks like it's going to take modified P09/P07 magazines, which is disappointing. That means $45 magazines. Glock factory mags can be found under $20, and Magpul/ETS magazines are cheaper still.
It looks like it's going to take modified P09/P07 magazines, which is disappointing. That means $45 magazines. Glock factory mags can be found under $20, and Magpul/ETS magazines are cheaper still.
armoredman
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P-10C mags will be running $35 to start, and the P-07/9 magazines will not work yet, but next gen 07/9 magazines will function in the P-10, with the proper cutout for the ambi mag release.
I like the new mags from CZ-USA that I use in the P-09, well made, sturdy, last longer than my Glock mags.
I like the new mags from CZ-USA that I use in the P-09, well made, sturdy, last longer than my Glock mags.
So, should S&W have designed the M&P to use Glock mags? Perhaps Ruger, Sig, Beretta, H&K, etc. should all do the same.
I don't like the cost of CZ mags either (although the Mecgar mags work fine and cost about the same as Glock mags). But I love the way CZ pistols fit the hand, while Glock grips have never been known to be all that ergonomic. Perhaps Glock should have designed their pistols to use CZ mags.
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I wish they would release this in a not-compact format, i.e. one that takes P09 19 round mags and has a 4.5" barrel. The decision to bring out a compact "C" first is somewhat unconventional, but is no doubt to compete with the old standby the Glock 19.
When, or even IF, CZ decides to bring this out in a full size, I might have one.
When, or even IF, CZ decides to bring this out in a full size, I might have one.
railroader
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That's what I'm holding out for too. My problem is my lack of will power. Ask my wife.
armoredman
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...you never know what they will come up with next...
That pretty much sums it up, and you should know! They can be unconventional, and mysterious, but rarely disappoint. I think CZ will release a full size P10, but I hope they also release a sub compact, and maybe a single stack sub compact to compete with guns like the Walther PPS, XDs, Shield, etc.
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CZ seems to have an aversion to single-stack guns. I don't believe they've gone that route in many years. A full-size striker-fired gun is probably coming, for military applications, and maybe a sub-compact, to eventually replace or supplement the RAMI.
SIG has been somewhat unconventional, too -- first with the 1911, later with a double-stack .45, then with several modular hammer-fired models, and now with a modular striker-fired gun.
CZ's Omega system, which in some models lets the user switch from safety to decocker (or vice versa) remains unique in the handgun market.
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Honestly, I wouldn't complain if a manufacturer decided to use a Glock compatible magazine. How obnoxious would it be if every AR15 manufacturer had a proprietary magazine?
Also, have you seen this?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/12/jeremy-s/gun-review-cz-p-10-c/
It looks like the P10 was designed as a line for line response to the Glock. It's plausible that compatibility with Glock holsters was intended to ease law enforcement transition, so why not take another step in that direction?
Plus I'm really cheap.
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Still going to be tough to beat.
at 20:10 Mac says he still thinks the PPQ has a better trigger. So it's going to be a Ford vs Chevy thing.
at 20:10 Mac says he still thinks the PPQ has a better trigger. So it's going to be a Ford vs Chevy thing.
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