BigRobT
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417581,00.html
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Does a cased rifle in a vehicle constitute probable cause to search a vehicle ??
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Does a cased rifle in a vehicle constitute probable cause to search a vehicle ??
DC Man Arrested w/ Cased Rifle & IED ??
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elChupacabra!
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Does one rifle and an IED constitute a "cache?" 
And my heavens, an IED... well THAT is new. I think 5 years ago it would have been called a "pipe bomb" or "homemade bomb." We now conjure images of hummvees flipping through the air from this guy's "IED."
And my heavens, an IED... well THAT is new. I think 5 years ago it would have been called a "pipe bomb" or "homemade bomb." We now conjure images of hummvees flipping through the air from this guy's "IED."
Henry Bowman
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Yep.
BigRobT
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Don't Federal Firearms Transportation laws still apply ?? Cased and unloaded (which we don't know) would fall under the transportation laws, I would think.
radio news report made it sound like, you know, not just a rifle, but a rifle and ammunition! heavens!
As if the rifle was not enough! What's next? A gun with ammunition actually in it? Like the one on the belt of the cops who confiscated this contraband?
I bet the IED is pepper spray or something like that.
sheesh. I'll be in DC in a few weeks.
As if the rifle was not enough! What's next? A gun with ammunition actually in it? Like the one on the belt of the cops who confiscated this contraband?
I bet the IED is pepper spray or something like that.
sheesh. I'll be in DC in a few weeks.
j_slagle
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Here's some more information
Washington Post
Man With Rifle, Pistol Arrested Near Library of Congress
By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 5, 2008; 3:36 PM
Capitol Police arrested a man near the Library of Congress today after turning up a rifle, loaded pistol and a possible explosive device inside his Jeep, authorities said.
The man, whose identity has not yet been released, was taken into custody at 11 a.m. at Second Street and Independence Avenue SE, several blocks from the Capitol. Traffic in the area was diverted while authorities searched the vehicle, and police remained at the scene well into the afternoon.
No one was hurt.
Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a Capitol Police spokeswoman, said the events began unfolding after the man stopped his Jeep to ask an officer a question. The officer noticed a rifle case in the back seat, she said, leading to the search.
Inside the vehicle, Schneider said, police found "what appears to be a hand grenade," along with a rifle, loaded pistol, at least one knife, ammunition and magazines. Police also found "several other items of concern," she said. She did not elaborate.
The man was driving a gray vehicle with Virginia tags.
Authorities brought in a special bomb squad vehicle to safely contain the device. They planned to examine it at a secure location and, if necessary, detonate it.
In January, a Virginia man was arrested near the Capitol after authorities caught him with a shotgun and a sword in the 300 block of First Street NE. They later found what they described as a stash of explosives in his pickup truck.
That man, Michael S. Gorbey, was convicted on 14 charges, including one of attempting to make and possess a weapon of mass destruction. He was sentenced last month to a 22-year prison term.
Washington Post
Man With Rifle, Pistol Arrested Near Library of Congress
By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 5, 2008; 3:36 PM
Capitol Police arrested a man near the Library of Congress today after turning up a rifle, loaded pistol and a possible explosive device inside his Jeep, authorities said.
The man, whose identity has not yet been released, was taken into custody at 11 a.m. at Second Street and Independence Avenue SE, several blocks from the Capitol. Traffic in the area was diverted while authorities searched the vehicle, and police remained at the scene well into the afternoon.
No one was hurt.
Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a Capitol Police spokeswoman, said the events began unfolding after the man stopped his Jeep to ask an officer a question. The officer noticed a rifle case in the back seat, she said, leading to the search.
Inside the vehicle, Schneider said, police found "what appears to be a hand grenade," along with a rifle, loaded pistol, at least one knife, ammunition and magazines. Police also found "several other items of concern," she said. She did not elaborate.
The man was driving a gray vehicle with Virginia tags.
Authorities brought in a special bomb squad vehicle to safely contain the device. They planned to examine it at a secure location and, if necessary, detonate it.
In January, a Virginia man was arrested near the Capitol after authorities caught him with a shotgun and a sword in the 300 block of First Street NE. They later found what they described as a stash of explosives in his pickup truck.
That man, Michael S. Gorbey, was convicted on 14 charges, including one of attempting to make and possess a weapon of mass destruction. He was sentenced last month to a 22-year prison term.
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Isn't a can of spray paint a possible explosive device?
Flyboy
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Until I saw "loaded pistol" and "magazines," a muzzleloader and a can of black powder would have met the description.
For that matter, given the media's usual care with facts and definitions, it still might.
For that matter, given the media's usual care with facts and definitions, it still might.
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Maybe it's a container of Jiffy Pop. Leave it in a hot enough car and who knows what it would do.
SCKimberFan
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Stick a fork in him. The loaded pistol will be his downfall.
God forbid he should exercise his rights protected by the 2A.
God forbid he should exercise his rights protected by the 2A.
Frog48
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That was my initial thought, too. Not exactly characteristic behavior of someone that is "up to no good".
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whats funny in a tragic way is that were he a local boy he could plead the gun charge away since he didn't use it. since he was in the wrong area though he will get fried good
Duke Junior
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A very slow news day in the District.
A cache of weapons,by golly.
Still rolling down that slope.
A cache of weapons,by golly.
Still rolling down that slope.
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If you were carrying around an IED, would you really stop and ask a cop for directions?
TacMedic4450
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Wouldnt a hand grenade constitute just an explosive device? It aint an IED is its not improvised lol.
j_slagle
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update from the Washington Post:
loaded rifle, loaded pistol, and a "not inert" grenade.
Man With Rifle, Pistol Arrested Near Library of Congress
By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 5, 2008; 7:27 PM
U.S. Capitol Police said they found a hand grenade, two loaded firearms and other "items of concern" in a Jeep Cherokee driven by a 27-year-old man who was arrested today morning near the Library of Congress.
The suspect, identified as Christopher S. Timmons, of Orange, Va., was arrested at Second Street and Independence Avenue SE and charged with carrying a concealed dangerous weapon, said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a Capitol Police spokeswoman. There might be additional charges, she said.
Asked whether the grenade was live, Schneider said explosives technicians described it to her as "not inert." She said the grenade was placed in a bomb-carrying vehicle and taken to an explosives disposal site in Quantico.
Police also found a loaded assault rifle, a loaded pistol, a knife and numerous rounds of ammunition in the Jeep, Schneider said. It is unclear what Timmons's intentions were.
Schneider said in a statement that Timmons approached a Capitol police officer at Second and Independence about 10:45 a.m. and asked for directions. "The officer observed a rifle case in the vehicle with a rifle inside of it," Schneider said in a statement.
After Timmons was ordered out of the vehicle, "a perimeter was established with several temporary street closures in the immediate area" while officers searched the Jeep. No one was injured in the incident, police said.
In January, a Virginia man was arrested near the Capitol after authorities caught him with a shotgun and a sword in the 300 block of First Street NE. They later found what they described as a stash of explosives in his pickup.
That man, Michael S. Gorbey, was convicted on 14 charges, including one of attempting to make and possess a weapon of mass destruction. He was sentenced last month to 22 years in prison.
loaded rifle, loaded pistol, and a "not inert" grenade.
Man With Rifle, Pistol Arrested Near Library of Congress
By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 5, 2008; 7:27 PM
U.S. Capitol Police said they found a hand grenade, two loaded firearms and other "items of concern" in a Jeep Cherokee driven by a 27-year-old man who was arrested today morning near the Library of Congress.
The suspect, identified as Christopher S. Timmons, of Orange, Va., was arrested at Second Street and Independence Avenue SE and charged with carrying a concealed dangerous weapon, said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a Capitol Police spokeswoman. There might be additional charges, she said.
Asked whether the grenade was live, Schneider said explosives technicians described it to her as "not inert." She said the grenade was placed in a bomb-carrying vehicle and taken to an explosives disposal site in Quantico.
Police also found a loaded assault rifle, a loaded pistol, a knife and numerous rounds of ammunition in the Jeep, Schneider said. It is unclear what Timmons's intentions were.
Schneider said in a statement that Timmons approached a Capitol police officer at Second and Independence about 10:45 a.m. and asked for directions. "The officer observed a rifle case in the vehicle with a rifle inside of it," Schneider said in a statement.
After Timmons was ordered out of the vehicle, "a perimeter was established with several temporary street closures in the immediate area" while officers searched the Jeep. No one was injured in the incident, police said.
In January, a Virginia man was arrested near the Capitol after authorities caught him with a shotgun and a sword in the 300 block of First Street NE. They later found what they described as a stash of explosives in his pickup.
That man, Michael S. Gorbey, was convicted on 14 charges, including one of attempting to make and possess a weapon of mass destruction. He was sentenced last month to 22 years in prison.
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I didn't get the impression it was a LIVE grenade - just a "not inert" grenade. My guess is it's a hollow, deactivated novelty that somehow doesn't meet DC's standards for being "inert" in some rediculous way.
That's my guess.
That's my guess.
guntotinguy
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Well as the media seems to be a bit corrupt and oftimes quite the anti-gun crowd,the question comes to mind if we would 'know the truth' of these events or just what,many times,seems to be the political distraction messages'.
Bill2e
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I hope he sues the heck out of them.
OMG "Numerous rounds of ammunition"
Heck he could have had a 10/22 & browning buckmark with loaded mags & a Value pack of .22 from wally world for all we know.
OMG "Numerous rounds of ammunition"
Heck he could have had a 10/22 & browning buckmark with loaded mags & a Value pack of .22 from wally world for all we know.
SamG.
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Wow, sounds like a well planned attack: put rifle on seat, gather " Items of concern", get I.E.D. (or whatever it turns out to be), ASK COP FOR DIRECTIONS!?!? Get arrested.
Duke Junior
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Now you're making me laugh and displaying too much commonsense,Sam.
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