DC Plans To Implement System For Registering Guns, Draft New Legislation

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From a purely practical point of view, how exactly would one lawfully procure a firearm in DC? Do you have to go to the dealer, pay for it, obtain the make, model, S/N, etc., take that info to some office, fill out your registration paperwork, wait for the registration to be approved, then go pick up your gun?

Supreme Court Strikes Down D.C. Gun Ban

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

The court's 5-4 ruling strikes down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment.

"Unfortunately and disappointingly, the Supreme Court opted not to uphold the three-decade-old handgun ban in the District of Columbia," D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty said during a news conference following the ruling.

"It is important to both respect the court's authority and then to act quickly," Fenty said.

Fenty said the Metropolitan Police Department has 21 days to develop a system for citizens to register lawful handguns in their homes. Interim Attorney General Peter Nickles said that rules on who can apply for gun licenses will not change. Applicants will be required to be mentally competent adults, and they'll be fingerprinted.

In the meantime, D.C.'s gun ban will remain in effect. Automatic and semi-automatic guns remain illegal, Fenty said. Citizens still can't carry guns outside the home in D.C.


The police department will have an amnesty period in which residents who own handguns that were not previously registered can register without fear of criminal liability.

Police Chief Cathy Lanier stressed that citizens are still encouraged to store firearms safely in their homes, even though the court's ruling struck down D.C.'s requirement that firearms be equipped with trigger locks. Every person who registers a gun in D.C. is given a trigger lock, she said.

Lanier said citizens with questions can call 202-727-4275. A toll-free hot line will be set up to answer questions.

D.C. Council Judiciary Committee Chairman Phil Mendelson has scheduled a hearing for next Wednesday on a new law that will place restrictions on handguns without banning them outright.

It will take several weeks for the court's opinion to become law, News4's Tom Sherwood reported. D.C.'s gun ban is still on the books today.

Court Strikes Down Prohibition On Guns In Home, Trigger Lock Requirement

The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia. The court's decision goes further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that an individual right to bear arms is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.

The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Scalia said. The court also struck down Washington's requirement that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns.

Scalia noted that the handgun is Americans' preferred weapon of self-defense in part because "it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police."

In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."

Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, "In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas."

Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.

Scalia said nothing in Thursday's ruling should "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."

In a concluding paragraph to the his 64-page opinion, Scalia said the justices in the majority "are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country" and believe the Constitution "leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns."

Guns Rights Supporters, Lawmakers React To Ruling

Gun rights supporters hailed the decision. "I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.

The NRA will file lawsuits in San Francisco, Chicago and several of its suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the court's ruling will help put an end to ideological debates that have hindered city officials working to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

"Today's decision by the Supreme Court upholding those rights will benefit our coalition by finally putting to rest the ideological debates that have for too long obscured an obvious fact: criminals, who have no right to purchase or possess guns, nevertheless have easy access to them," the mayor said in a statement.

"Mayors and police chiefs have a responsibility to crack down on illegal guns and punish gun criminals, and it is encouraging that the Supreme Court recognizes the constitutionality of reasonable regulations that allow for us to carry out those responsibilities," Bloomberg said.

"I think this is a long overdue decision; I don't think the precedent has been seriously reaffirmed in decades," said. Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis.

"The right to bear arms is a fundamental right we enjoy as citizens of the United States," said Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn. "From individuals being able to protect their family and their home to sportsmen venturing into the outdoors, this is an important and historic day for all citizens of this great country."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, criticized the ruling. "I believe the people of this great country will be less safe because of it," she said.

"Today, President Bush's radical Supreme Court justices put rigid ideology ahead of the safety of communities in New Jersey and across the country," said Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J. "This decision illustrates why I have strongly opposed extremist judicial nominees and will continue to do so in the future."

The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns. Other laws keep felons from buying guns and provide for an instant background check.

White House reaction was restrained. "We're pleased that the Supreme Court affirmed that the Second Amendment protects the right of Americans to keep and bear arms," White House spokesman Tony Fratto said.

Armed Security Guard's Suit Overturns One Of Nation's Strictest Gun Laws

The capital's gun law was among the nation's strictest.

Dick Anthony Heller, 66, an armed security guard, sued the District after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his home for protection in the same Capitol Hill neighborhood as the court.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in Heller's favor and struck down Washington's handgun ban, saying the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own guns and that a total prohibition on handguns is not compatible with that right.

Heller's attorneys released a statement after the Supreme Court's decision was issued Thursday.

"Besides being blatantly unconstitutional, the District's gun ban has been totally ineffective," co-counsel Robert Levy said in a statement. "Today's ruling sends a clear message that the District may not attempt to solve its crime problems by violating the rights of law-abiding citizens to keep functional firearms, including handguns, in their homes for lawful self defense."

"The Second Amendment says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. After thirty years of ignoring that right, the District will finally have to respect it," Heller said.

The law adopted by Washington's city council in 1976 bars residents from owning handguns unless they had one before the law took effect. Shotguns and rifles may be kept in homes, if they are registered, kept unloaded and either disassembled or equipped with trigger locks.

Opponents of the law have said it prevents residents from defending themselves. The Washington government says no one would be prosecuted for a gun law violation in cases of self-defense.

The last Supreme Court ruling on the topic came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars disagree over what that case means but agree it did not squarely answer the question of individual versus collective rights.

Forty-four state constitutions contain some form of gun rights, which are not affected by the court's consideration of Washington's restrictions.

The case is District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290.
 
The police department will have an amnesty period in which residents who own handguns that were not previously registered can register without fear of criminal liability.
Wow, how nice of them to give amnesty from a law that doesn't exist anymore. They probably just know that if they dared charge anyone it would be right back in court and getting tossed out.
 
If he honestly thinks he can get away with the semi- auto ban, he's on drugs. He's setting himself up to get his a** handed to him in court. It's obvious that most self- defense weapons are semi- automatic handguns. He's trying to make it impossible to defend yourself with a footnote.

I bet that law is the next one to get thrown out.
 
Fenty said the Metropolitan Police Department has 21 days to develop a system for citizens to register lawful handguns in their homes. Interim Attorney General Peter Nickles said that rules on who can apply for gun licenses will not change. Applicants will be required to be mentally competent adults, and they'll be fingerprinted.

In the meantime, D.C.'s gun ban will remain in effect. Automatic and semi-automatic guns remain illegal, Fenty said. Citizens still can't carry guns outside the home in D.C.

The police department will have an amnesty period in which residents who own handguns that were not previously registered can register without fear of criminal liability.



1.) If you can't have "automatic or semi-automatic", isn't that infringement? (That is banning 1 very "common" type of handguns)


2.) Can't carry guns outside of the home? (Didn't SCOTUS say, "To keep and carry in case of confrontation.")


3.) Shouldn't have to register anything but new guns.
 
There isn't one thing in the D.C. press release that can be defended in court after the SCOTUS decision. They're just trying to bully their citizens some more and I hope someone will take them to task!
 
The registration law that was in effect prior to the ban is still on the books. If someone showed up at a police station today to register their handgun I assume the police would be obligated to register the gun and cannot turn them down. Fenty and the District's AG are blowing smoke.
 
"Today, President Bush's radical Supreme Court justices put rigid ideology ahead of the safety of communities in New Jersey and across the country," said Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J. "This decision illustrates why I have strongly opposed extremist judicial nominees and will continue to do so in the future."

Sorry pal, our constitution says "We The People", not "You The Government"...
 
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Fenty and the District's AG are blowing smoke.

No doubt.

Semi-autos are far more common than revolvers these days. According to commercial sales figures, semi-autos are outselling revolvers by about a three to one margin nationwide.

Fenty is just going to make himself look like an even bigger fool, if that's possible. :evil:
 
In the meantime, D.C.'s gun ban will remain in effect. Automatic and semi-automatic guns remain illegal, Fenty said.

What part of "lose" do they not understand? Any ban on semi-auto handguns that are of a common type and suitable to self-defense is clearly outlawed by the holding.
 
Mayor Fenty must really like spankings... 'cause if he insists on that "no semi-auto handguns" nonsense, he's gonna get another one.

The taxpayers should send him a bill for the cost of an lawsuits forthcoming...
 
Ok, did a little digging and found the following:
It isn't a ban on semi-auto handguns - it's that they have redefined "machine gun" as
District of Columbia Official Code 2001 Edition Currentness
Division IV. Criminal Law and Procedure and Prisoners.

Title 22. Criminal Offenses and Penalties. (Refs & Annos)

Subtitle VI. Regulation and Possession of Weapons.

Chapter 45. Weapons and Possession of Weapons. (Refs & Annos)

>>§ 22-4501. Definitions.

(c) "Machine gun," as used in this chapter, means any firearm which shoots automatically or semiautomatically more than 12 shots without reloading.

so for the time being, it looks like standard capacity 9mms are out, and that .40S&W and .45ACP will be the preferred option.

Interestingly, because of their odd definitions for pistol:
(a) "Pistol," as used in this chapter, means any firearm with a barrel less than 12 inches in length.

A 12" short-barreled AR with 10rd fixed magazine would be a legitimate "pistol" for self-defense there (with appropriate federal tax stamp). :D
 
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"Today, President Bush's radical Supreme Court justices put rigid ideology ahead of the safety of communities in New Jersey and across the country," said Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J. "This decision illustrates why I have strongly opposed extremist judicial nominees and will continue to do so in the future."
Didn't GW Bush only appoint 1 of the current justices? If so, then how does Frankie explain the votes of the other 4? Interesting how when a judge pulls something out of thin air, "progressives" call it a good ruling, but when a ruling is made based on 200 years, and hundreds of pages of writing, it's "extremist activism" :barf:
 
i still want montana to quit the union... i would move there for sure!
 
Didn't GW Bush only appoint 1 of the current justices? If so, then how does Frankie explain the votes of the other 4? Interesting how when a judge pulls something out of thin air, "progressives" call it a good ruling, but when a ruling is made based on 200 years, and hundreds of pages of writing, it's "extremist activism"

Just more proof the the radical liberal's jello ain't quite set.:D
 
Fenty said the Metropolitan Police Department has 21 days to develop a system for citizens to register lawful handguns in their homes.
SCOTUS didn't say 21 days.
They said "he District must permit him to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home." Mr. Heller has already submitted his application...
 
Heller most likely sought to use a semi-auto, and if so, this "legislation" of course won't stand. Some half-hearted defiance from the lefties in the wake of an upsetting defeat for them.
 
How do you go about buying a handgun in D.C. anyway? Can a D.C. resident buy one in Maryland or Virginia? As an Illinois resident, I can't buy one anywhere other than in Illinois.

Also, Fenty may have misspoken. He obviously doesn't know a whole lot about firearms. By "semiautomatic" he may mean military-appearance semiautomatic long guns, not common ordinary semiautomatic handguns. At least, one would hope. The Supreme Court decision certainly encompasses common ordinary semiautomatic handguns. We will have to see if it encompasses common ordinary (by scary looking) semiautomatic rifles with further decisions, most likely.
 
There's no way they can legally bar conventional semi-auto pistols after the Heller ruling.

After all, semi-autos are commonly available and in common use. Just walk in any gun shop in the country, and you'll see multiple cases of semi-auto pistols currently available for sale to civilians.

In fact, semi-autos are considerably more common than revolvers these days. Thousands of them are sold every day in the U.S.

Fenty & his lawyer pals are just begging for another smackdown. :rolleyes:
 
Also, Fenty may have misspoken. He obviously doesn't know a whole lot about firearms. By "semiautomatic" he may mean military-appearance semiautomatic long guns, not common ordinary semiautomatic handguns.

Most politicians briefed on the law they are speaking about, especialy one they frequently deal with are not so ignorant.
They are just hoping citizens are confused and have pictures of evil looking firearms popping up in thier heads when he makes the statement.

A lot of controlling people "for thier own good" and being allowed to continue to do so by said people is perception. You create perceptions of danger from some things and safety from others.
If the term "automatic" brings up images of full auto firearms mowing children down, well that is the best term to convey that message.
It is not because the politician is confused.

Fenty & his lawyer pals are just begging for another smackdown.
The thing is how do you enforce a SCOTUS ruling? Appeal a case for several more years in hopes of getting the same outcome?
The decision was made. People choosing to violate it are in violation. The people have become dependent on others to enforce such things (you know a professional) but the lawyers have already fought and argued on both sides up the ladder to the highest court possible and have a ruling. Now it is time for the grunts on the ground to enforce that ruling.

Can they get away with just saying "we don't really like this answer, so we are going to not follow it but pretend we are." Can they do that and the only response is just a repeat of the same process in court?
In the end it is men with guns on the ground that uphold what those with soft spoken words in court have decided.
Of course it would be unacceptable for those men to be the citizens not allowed to even carry a firearm. Those men will not be the local police, they are not going to challenge the local mayor or others creating illegal legislation.
So who exactly does enforce the final court's ruling? More lawyers using soft spoken words to say "no that is wrong, don't do that or we will take you to court and appeal it to the highest court again" ?

The answer intended by the founding fathers was the people themselves would enforce it. Of course that is not the case now. So does the SCOTUS even have any authority if localities choose to ignore them and they can afford to take on endless litigation?
They obviously won't blatantly ignore them, but instead will say they "thought" the court meant what they chose to do, and it will take years to get high enough in the courts for the courts to say "No that is not what was meant."
Unless of course the makeup of the court has changed by then, at which point they can say "perhaps you are not in violation" in a more elegant legal way.
 
I'm thinking there will be some sort of firearms qualification and aptitude test involving shooting the wings off of a fly from across the Potomac River, with open sights on a .22 caliber sub-compact pistol.

And you'll only get one shot to prove you deserve your RKBA in the Kingdom of D.C.

Dunno, just guessing.
 
How do you go about buying a handgun in D.C. anyway? Can a D.C. resident buy one in Maryland or Virginia? As an Illinois resident, I can't buy one anywhere other than in Illinois.

Good question.

I doubt if there are any gun dealers in DC.
 
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