Dead peoples reloaded ammo.

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Catchy Title huh?


I have a friend of 20 or so years that had his father in law pass away a few years back.

His Father in law was a avid reloader for years and really left them with a ton of boxed up ammo. Unfortunately nothing is marked with data except for the small quantities in the little blue tubs.

He has several and I mean several boxes marked .38sp and .357 magnun 1000pcs boxes. Nothing else on the box but what the cartridge size is and round count.

Wadcutters, semiwadcutters jacketed rn hps. You name it thousands.. all sorts of bullet weights.

Dad told me to never trust anyone's reloaded ammo unless you saw them making it. Think it would be out of line offering component prices or should I turn and run?.
 
Being the titewad that I am, I would be very tempted to buy that. I would offer less than component prices, since there will be labor involved. If the bullets are such that they can be pulled with a collet puller, I might pay a little more. Otherwise they would have to be pulled with an kinetic puller which is a real pain.

For the 38spl, I think I would pull random rounds out of a box, pull the bullets, and measure the powder in each to see how consistent they are. If they are not consistent, pull all the rounds down for components. If they are consistent, I would load back maybe 10% less powder into a few rounds and try shooting them to measure the velocity. (I would be doing this in my Ruger GP100, so not too worried about hot loads). Work back up to the original charges to see how they perform. If it looks ok, I think I would shoot the rest as they are.

The 357 I would be a little more leary of, unless you can determine what powder was used. I would most likely pull all the 357 for components.

Now if the guy died from a gun blowing up in his face, forget all the above.
 
Catchy Title huh?


I have a friend of 20 or so years that had his father in law pass away a few years back.

His Father in law was a avid reloader for years and really left them with a ton of boxed up ammo. Unfortunately nothing is marked with data except for the small quantities in the little blue tubs.

He has several and I mean several boxes marked .38sp and .357 magnun 1000pcs boxes. Nothing else on the box but what the cartridge size is and round count.

Wadcutters, semiwadcutters jacketed rn hps. You name it thousands.. all sorts of bullet weights.

Dad told me to never trust anyone's reloaded ammo unless you saw them making it. Think it would be out of line offering component prices or should I turn and run?.
He's a friend, you can't run. Offer 'component prices' minus powder (you don't know what it is, right?), after explaining the problem. Maybe suggest he wait to see if a fearless/careless person will make a better offer.
 
Yep. No idea what powder is in any of them.

I may try to see what primed cases go for and what bullets of the type go for and then come up with something.

Almost more pia than I want to deal with. But you never know. Could pull 50 of the 38s and get a idea from that. The 357 would be a major pain to yank all of them but I do so like my hands and face.
 
You might advise your friend that there is always the chance (a good chance, if something goes wrong) of some liability in letting others deal with handloads, especially in selling homemade ammunition. I wouldn't take the chance myself, it's just not worth the worry.

It may even be illegal to sell handloads without a manufacturer's license.
 
I don't think I'd buy them. If he wanted to give them to me OK, but there's an awful lot of work involved to salvage bullets and brass. If I'm gonna pay my hard earned cash, I'll get components and assemble them myself...:p
 
I'd explain to him that it's generally considered bad juju to shoot another amateur reloader's ammo, but you will take it off his hands for a steak dinner and see if any of it is salvageable. If nothing else, you'll at least get a steak dinner for your trouble. ;) And he won't have to worry about what to do with homemade ammo that he apparently has no use for anyway if he's had it since his FIL passed away a few years back. Emphasis on "a few years back". ymmv
 
This case is a little different from the random reloads people warn about. Does your fiend have any stories of blown up guns or a history of issues? There is a chance to get some history, maybe enough to convince yourself it is safe.
 
You may ask your friend to look for a log book. It may be a reload manual that has been marked or hand written in the notes pages that some have.

Shooting someone else reloads are not something I do unless I know the person well and know he takes all of the safety precautions. Even then I would tare a few down to confirm that the load in the round matches.

Once you explain to him the liability issues, he may be open to selling them at a very reduced rate, or even free.

Push him to look for logs and reload manuals, you may find that he was a very precise in what he did.
 
Talked to him a little and He definitely doesn't want to give them away and he isn't a shooting enthusiast.

I know he has tried to sell them for a while. From talking to him a little today I think he is taken back that I would only be interested in the components. And wouldn't be interested in paying what seems to be close to new prices.

Probably just move on and let someone else have a go at them if he can ever sell them.

The time and effort to remove the bullets alone makes me want to not peruse it.
 
That reloader made it to an old age without blowing himself up, so he likely knew what he was doing.

Some backup written data would be nice.

Push him to look for logs and reload manuals, you may find that he was a very precise in what he did.
Exactly.
 
He has no data. He sold a bunch of old presses, books etc.. he just haphazardly sold a bunch of stuff not really knowing what it was.

The fil didn't shoot the last 15 years of his life so I'm not sure what was loaded when or how.
He does have some loose stuff so I might look into that.

More than likely he's going to finally get tired of it being in his garage and tell me to come get it all
 
Talked to him a little and He definitely doesn't want to give them away and he isn't a shooting enthusiast.

I know he has tried to sell them for a while. From talking to him a little today I think he is taken back that I would only be interested in the components. And wouldn't be interested in paying what seems to be close to new prices.

Probably just move on and let someone else have a go at them if he can ever sell them.

The time and effort to remove the bullets alone makes me want to not peruse it.

I think your friend has unrealistic expectations about the value of 2nd hand handloaded ammo. I would walk away, at least for a while. If someone swoops in and buys it all, great! But if he begrudgingly sells it to you for what it is actually worth, it might impact your friendship. He needs the reality check to come from a stranger, not a friend.

Just my $.02.
 
At the time he first tried selling it I did not have any interest. I did tell him he would make more money if he pulled all the bullets and sold everything separately because it is just too hard to sell ammo that's passed down like this.

I think he is in this kind of mindset. He sees Wal-Mart selling 9mm for $16 a box and he thinks $14 is fair on these and so on. It is easy to burn bridges especially when money is involved.

So I pretty much left it be at the time.
 
Make one lump offer for all of it. Obviously he sees that there isnt tons of retail interest in it. If you paying component price and are content at that then go to it. But id just go buy stuff i wanted that shows up in a bag/box and you know what you have and dont have to pull it apart. If you let him know you are serious he will probally get in touch and sell it all to you at a fair price when he is tired of getting offered .01 per $1. Friends are friends, but money is still money.
 
I think your friend has unrealistic expectations about the value of 2nd hand handloaded ammo. I would walk away, at least for a while. If someone swoops in and buys it all, great! But if he begrudgingly sells it to you for what it is actually worth, it might impact your friendship. He needs the reality check to come from a stranger, not a friend.

Just my $.02.
Agree. Great advice.
 
For all we know, the old dead guy collected that stuff from some other old dead guy, and with the plan to disassemble it "someday" in order to salvage the components.

I wouldn't go near any home-made ammo furnished with no more provenance than caliber-marking, and for which there is nobody who will vouch for it.
 
This is why I make detailed labels for all my boxes of handloads with bullet info, powder type and amount. I'm gonna croak someday, and somebody's gonna have to deal with my stash.
 
Exactly what rondog said... every ammo can I have includes load information. However... that still doesn't make anyone trust my hand loads any more than if they didn't know what the loads are.

In my case, I have made sure that my ammo will go to a trusted friend that also trusts my loads - in fact I taught him to load in the first place. That being said, I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't shoot my loads either. That would be a bummer, because I have a LOT of ammo cans. :)

We're all gonna croak someday, so think it out and talk to friends... hopefully younger friends.
 
I was in almost this exact situation, I posted on another board about this a few years ago. I ran into a deal through a friend of a friend.....this guys brother passes away. All his gun and reloading stuff was stored in an extra bedroom, for a little under $1000 I get everything but have to load it and haul it away (this was also where the litter boxes for all the cats in the house were kept....don't ask for details on that). We filled up a small Ranger pickup, the mud guards were scraping the ground as we left. The guns were:

Colt .45 Commander
AMT .45 Hardballer (that actually worked)
Ruger .22 Mark I (with a long 5 inch barrel)
Ruger Stainless Security Six 357
Ruger Stainless Speed Six 357

There were some other rifles and shotguns but he had sold those already.

We dumped all the reloading and other gear in my garage and it took me about six weeks to go through it. There were about 17,000 Albert swagged bullets (mostly in .45 and .38), a dozen Lee molds (some were custom ones, a Keith profile in .38 dropping at 180g), a Lee bottom pour lead pot, three presses (a Rockchucker and two Lee Turrets), a lubrisizer, a half a dozen sets of dies, extra raw lead, extra bullets of all different kinds (thousands and thousands, some he had bought some he had cast), six 5 gallon buckets of brass (mostly .38 and .45, some brand new starline stuff still in the package), 8 lbs of Bullseye, about 10,000 primers, thousand and thousands and thousand of handloads in .45 and .38, all different kinds of ammo from .22 to 5.56, pistol rugs, gun cases....even a 5lb can of Mica....it just went on and on. I ended up with half a 5 gallon bucket just full of odd loaded rounds, from .22 to .45 that I ended up just throwing away since I had no idea what they were.

I told the seller that he could get much better prices but he would have to cull through everything, clean it, organize it, take pics and put it on Craigs list for the reloading items....or at least put the pistols on gunbroker.....but he didn't want to mess with anything like that and was just looking for enough to put up a head stone for his brother and wanted the bedroom cleared out.

As leery as I am of shooting someone else's hand loads I couldn't bring myself to dump all the ammo cans of .38 and .45 reloads and have been shooting them in the strongest 357s and .45s I have (a GP100 and the Speed Six I got as part of the deal as well as a Ruger P90 for the .45). This was in Oct of 2008 and I still haven't gotten through the .38 reloads....whenever I think it's all gone I end up finding another .30 cal ammo can in the ammo room full of his reloads....I read his notes that he left in the can then pull down and recheck some of the rounds before I take them to the range and haven't had any problems so far. I have hardly touched the .45 reloads (am a little more leery of those but have shot some).

As I look back on the whole experience I wonder if that someday 40 or 50 years from now someone else will be posting a similar story.....but they'll be talking about my stash and collection after I pass on.
 
Unknown reloads = AWESOME if they're free.

Unless you are buying from a licensed manufacturer, they aren't even worth the cost of components.
 
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