Dear SIG, revamp the 232, please.

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I mentioned this in another thread, but i wanted the topic to have its own....

The SIG 232, where do i start....

Great pointability, a good heft, a conveinient ccw size.. In my mind, the sexiest looking handgun on the planet....the james bond style with the fit, finish and accuracy of a sig...cant go wrong....but then why is it OH SO WRONG?

well, for starters, 380....for a lot of people the sand line drawn for defensive calibers....however, the line is drawn above it, rather than below...i need lean mean and 9x19. Now some may argue that sig is not interested in producing a 1000 round firearm....which is what a 9mm load may resort the 232 to in a short period...However, i am sure it can be done...beef up the spring, give it a bushing, etc...just try to preserve the genral size and aesthetics of the 232.

Euro mag release....ugh....want to get killed while fumbling to reload?? try a euro. This is of course a matter of taste...but i dont see many race guns equipped with an aftermarket euro release because their frame mounted release was slowing them down.

And please give me an external slide catch....PLEASE!! Nothing worse than finally fumbling your mag into place, and then having to resort to the slingshot slide release method...ug.
:barf: :barf: :barf:


The only reason i am steamed about all of this is because i want a 232 really bad....but these factors keep me from considering it...It is so easy to carry, a pleasure to shoot....just as long as you dont have to worry about reloading it, or using it for defense.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: such a shame.
 
They could also fix that little piece (and its spring) that you lose when you fieldstrip your 232. A handgun that falls apart when you clean it is a pain in the neck--and speaks poorly of the design/quality despite the manufacturer's reputation.
 
I agree, I handled this gun at the local store, and right away I thought this would be the S%&* if you could get it in 9mm. With Ohio passing the ccw law I've been looking hard for that, fit , feel and look in a handgun.

The 239 in 9mm is appealing, but I'm gonna go with a used H&k psp for about the same price. Just because of size.

Sig, are you listening? I think alot of people would drop $700 easy on that gun if it was 9mm. I know I would in a heartbeat. To me it has the look, like the hottest chick on the block.
 
how many of you have fired a 9x19mm out of a 16 oz gun with a fix barrel? and if you have did you do it more than once?

The 230/232 are not combat pistols. Yes some mods would be nice, a slide release, a american mag release. but lets face it, if you are having to speed reload your 230 you have gotten yourself into a world of hurt and should have probably brought a rifle.

I carry my 230 as a summer carry under light cloths (in the south everyone has light cloths in the summer) and the thinkest thing the .380 round will have to go through is a vol's T-shirt.
 
A blowback, alloy-framed pocket nine. Swell idea... not. :scrutiny:






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I like my 232

I've had a 232 for a couple of years and it's a nice little hand gun, for what it is. Stepping up to 9mm would be interesting. But while you're changing it around, drop the mag release on the bottom of the magwell.


Respectfully,

johnk
 
jc2: Amen. What a badly thought out design for such a nice gun. After fumbling with the part and spring everytime I cleaned it, the spring, apparently maddened by my foul language, leapt from the gun and disappeared or disintegrated. Our military should use the design of that spring as a basis for camo. I never found it. Nice folks at Sig are more than happy to sell you a new one.
 
I don't think it wouldn't be any worse than an Airlight .38 loaded with +P's.
This would be SIG following the trend of potent guns in featherweight guns.
 
9mm Para in a blow back gun??? No way...

And besides, Sig just got done re-engineering the gun so that replacement parts are not the same as those for the Sig 230.
 
yes way....i dont think it would be that bad....not for the weak, but it would be manageable.
 
Not to be repetitive, but you can't have 9mm, blowback, small, and light all in the same package. Those Airweight revolvers can do .38 +P because they're revolvers.

I don't mind the euro-catch for CCW. I also don't mind slingshotting the slide.

Actually, the only thing keeping me from getting one is the whole DA/SA nonsense.
 
I really wouldn't be all that much to put a gas-retard system into it like the HK P-7.
I know that's been done before in the Vector CP-1, and failed... but it's totally doable by SIG. You could even keep the same sleek likes... you just might need a little heat sheild above the trigger guard - but it's completely doable. SIG, if they wanted, could make it happen. Just a gun would replace the P225 and the 9MM P239.

And don't tell me you can't do 9MM in a Blow back - what the heck is a "Hi Point" then? Yeah, I know, a big hunk of brick... with the slide's mass to keep the chamber closed long enough... but it's still possible.
 
Yea, make it a 9X19 and I'm sold.

Not to be repetitive, but you can't have 9mm, blowback, small, and light all in the same package.
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Yea you can. Btw, they have a 9X19 Makarov in Russia. And there's a new 9X18 chambering over their that emulates the 9x19. Not for use in normal Maks though!!!

Btw, is a luger blowback or recoil operated? Or a little bit of both?
 
I can't see Sig replacing the 239 with a PPK-styled gun. The 239 was designed specifically for female shooters (and small-handed males). It's shape was the result of careful ergonomic study.

What you want is a different gun, one using the 239's technology, but with psuedo-Walther styling. That would certainly be an appealing CCW weapon, one I'd be interested in buying.
 
And don't tell me you can't do 9MM in a Blow back - what the heck is a "Hi Point" then?
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Like I said, the issue is trying to combine 9mm, blowback, small, and light.

Look at this another way: if Sig could produce a 9mm P232, don't you think they would have by now? I don't think it's out of stubbornness.
 
I guess cuz of the chamber fluting.
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Which is necessary to let the case drag, thereby retarding the blowback. A stopgap and extremely unsatisfactory answer to the problem.

Your three choices are:
1) Make the slide heavier, ruining the lines of the gun that Arinvolvo loves so much.
2) Add a mechanical delay, such as gas or rollers, ruining the lines of the gun that Arinvolvo loves so much.
3) Put a recoil spring in it so heavy that you can't rack the slide.

Oh, and ditch the alloy frame, too; it probably won't do too well in a blowback nine, being that small (it already cracks prematurely on the .380 guns), so we can keep it aluminum and make it bigger, or we can keep it small and make it steel and heavy.


When I was a kid, I wanted a miniature bullet factory in the magazine of my gun so that I'd never have to reload, too... ;)
 
"When I was a kid, I wanted a miniature bullet factory in the magazine of my gun so that I'd never have to reload, too... "

You see, that's how the Hollywood Magazines work... Nanotechnology. You can just put a few pennies in the bottom and that's all the copper you need to make the system work.:D
 
"...just put a few pennies in the bottom..."

Make sure they are old pennies, new ones are plated zinc. If we're going thru the trouble of tungsten inserts into the slide and heavier springs, we might as well do it in 10mm and quit nibbling at the problem. I wonder if a reputable 'smith would mod my 230 this way?:D
 
Oh Tamara...you are such a buzz-kill with your deductive reasoning, clear thinking and all....No room for dreams when tamara is around.:D

I dont care how they do it, i just want one...<----little kid reasoning.
 
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