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So are you saying that there are DU "moles" here? The tactics in question are hardly new or unique to DU. Even if you could positively ID somebody here as a "DU agent", what then? Are you a moderator? Last time I heard, they were the ones in charge of deciding who stays and who goes. They seem to be doing a good job making those decisions too. Maybe its just me, but this looks like a good way to do nothing but cause ill-feeling as the witch-hunt begins. "He's nothing but a DU agent!" will become just one more way to try to discredit anybody who doesn't agree with the majority.
 
At least they're open minded...

From DU's rules...

WHO IS WELCOME ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, AND WHO IS NOT

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals.

This is a "big tent" message board. We welcome a wide range of progressive opinion. You will likely encounter many points of view here that you disagree with.

We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website. If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.
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:barf: :barf: :rolleyes:
 
For contrast, check out Sean Hannity's web site and message board.

There is a large liberal presence on the message board who feel the need to argue, distort, and whine about almost every topic.

The DIFFERENCE is that they are not banned from the site because they are liberals. Usually, a well thought-out argument by conservatives is presented and a lively discussion follows.

Guess that the liberals feel that the First Amendment only applies to them on the DU.
 
"Breaking eggs..."

I found the repeated references to "breaking eggs" quite chilling. Those who post in that thread might be nothing but parlor pinks and legends in their own minds, but as jimpeel has pointed out, they're already posting plans for felonies.

I didn't remember the source of the quotation — that "you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs" — I only recalled its meaning. I googled it and discovered an excellent, short essay about Maximilian Robespierre. The essay is Copyright © 2000 The Sutherland Institute; permission to reprint is given at the source web site. It's worth a read; it begins:
With those words in 1790, Maximilian Robespierre welcomed the horrific French Revolution that had begun the year before. A firm believer in using government to plan the lives of others, he would become the architect of the Revolution's bloodiest phase-"The Reign of Terror" of 1793-94. Robespierre and his guillotine broke "eggs" by the thousands in a vain effort to impose a centrally planned, utopian, "omelette" society.
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The essay is Where are the Omelettes?, by Lawrence W. Reed. It's at

http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/Publications/ToThePoint/2000/032800.htm

I don't know Mr. Reed or his organization, but this essay nails it.
 
All I can say after reading these posts is...

EVIL NEVER SLEEPS!

As such, neither can we. Thanks to those who have the stomach to go to DU and actually read this immoral, traitorous and criminal garbage. KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

One good thing about this type of thread is that someone like Hannity or Rush will show it or read it in front of several million people - and such a thing couldn't possibly help the Evil Ones.
 
Eggs/ DU

I allways thought it was Himmler or Goebels who said "you have to break a few eggs..."
I did not post this to accuse any thr member of being a DU "mole"
or to start a flame war with them.
I posted this as a "heads up"
It is my hope that by taking "the high road" that not only will we convince fence sitters that we gun owners,despite our differences, are truly a more diverse and tolerant group then the elites that are running the Democrat party into the ground.
After all Dem's like Zel Miller are better on gun rights then GW is,we have to encourage them to respect the Bill of Rights.
I believe the folks at DU are not true Dems but rather Stalinist or Marxist
"little Hitlers"
The silver lining is that when they have state power ( like during the reign of Clinton ) they turn on each other.
Lets not imitate them.
 
I thought it might be time to

revive this thread.
We should take the High Road of course,but that doesn't mean we should bite when the well known trolls dangle the bait.
 
fascism:

… Is your tape recorder running? Turn it on! I got something to say."

Then she said: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

I told her to be careful.

"You’re right, after 9/11 I shouldn’t say that," she said, spotting a cab and grabbing it.
…
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=6258

Ann Coulter, spokeswoman of the right-wing.
 
People are people. They have politics, they have ideologies and they have dogmas. They also have their fair share of stupid, violent morons who agree with them. It won't be the preserve of DU alone I'm sure.

Look at the recent history of THR's L&P section - we've had threads calling for the destruction of whole towns in Iraq. Every now and again a member here posts a thread saying 'Look at me! I trolled DU.' and as Kaylee says, do we want to be involved in that?

Let them play in their own filth. We should also acknowledge that the members and the admin of that website probably represent the democratic voter no better than stormfront represents the typical 'redneck' (whoever he may be)

On the whole I believe Khornet's assumption to be correct. There's a whole lot of 'I'm on the Right and in the right. Whatever the left (and anyone who might be a little left) does is evil and wrong. Even if they adopt a puppy it's still evil and wrong and COMMUNIST'

For me at least, it's getting old fast.
 
St. Johns, you are not the only one who finds it annoying. I too find certain threads here about DU to be trying and, to be completly blunt, stupid. People who preach the NAP are over there causing havoc in DU's little world of idiocy through politics, and then bringing it back here to brag about it. Sure, I did it too. I sometimes read to keep up on just what some of the DU thinks, just to know. Surveillence on one's political enemies and whatnot.

'I'm on the Right and in the right. Whatever the left (and anyone who might be a little left) does is evil and wrong. Even if they adopt a puppy it's still evil and wrong and COMMUNIST'
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Aside from that little political hottie known as Ann Coulter, I really doubt that you will find many people with this attitude. They might have screwed up political philosophies to me, but until they take an active role in harming my rights, they can do whatever they want. If those gun-banning, wealth-redistributing, military-busting, Clinton-worshiping people want to declare war on my rights, then I wont hold back any punches in describing them or fighting them. But I wont move till they do.

And the threads about glass-parking-lot-ing certain cities needs to stop. Performing measured military manuvers to find those responsible is an appropriate action. Purposely killing large numbers of innocents is not the way civilized people do things. It is however the way of terrorists.
 
Finally a couple of breaths of fresh air. I cannot believe how quickly some people rise to the bait. Subornation of a felony? Will my tinfoil hat protect against DU moles? Let's get a grip, and a perspective. I have no doubt that right now on some lib board people are discussing some equally (in)valid examples of conservative freakery. It's all a circular continuum, and there are plenty of wierdos on all sides. DU may or may not be populated by whackos, weirdos, lesbos and every other type of O, but poking them with a stick pretty much reduces us to that level too.

Is'nt all this rhetoric energy wasted when it could be better focused? How many absentee voters have you signed up today?
 
but poking them with a stick pretty much reduces us to that level too
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Heck no...poking them with a stick might prompt 'em to get to "breaking eggs." When they pop their heads up, it's easier to take 'em off at the neck.

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fascism:

… Is your tape recorder running? Turn it on! I got something to say."

Then she said: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

I told her to be careful.

"You’re right, after 9/11 I shouldn’t say that," she said, spotting a cab and grabbing it.
…
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=6258

Ann Coulter, spokeswoman of the right-wing.
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Not only does that have absolutely nothing to do with fascism, but you again can't address the topic. I'm shocked. :rolleyes:
 
sendec

Subornation of a felony? Will my tinfoil hat protect against DU moles? Let's get a grip, and a perspective. I have no doubt that right now on some lib board people are discussing some equally (in)valid examples of conservative freakery.
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So if Republicans are suborning a felony to be perpetrated by Republicans against Democrats that makes it all right?

In your world two wrongs work algebraically to make a right?

(-1) + (-1) = 1 ?

I hope you were looking in a mirror when you said "Let's get a grip, and a perspective".
 
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Maybe I should have kept lurking and been satisfied with that. This doesn't seem to be the forum that was advertised. Seems that the mods are ready to kick folks out at the slightest attack however rules against trolling are not just ignored but it seems that some trolls are protected and actively encouraged. Maybe if the mods did their jobs better the regular folk wouldn't attack the trolls and get kicked off. YMMV. adios :banghead:
 
So if Republicans are suborning a felony to be perpetrated by Republicans against Democrats that makes it all right?

In your world two wrongs work algebraically to make a right?

(-1) + (-1) = 1 ?

I hope you were looking in a mirror han you said "Let's get a grip, and a perspective".



I have absolutely no idea of what you just said.
 
sendec

I was the one who stated in a post that the people at DU were suborning a felony by attempting to abridge the rights of people to vote. I quoted your post which read:
Subornation of a felony? Will my tinfoil hat protect against DU moles? Let's get a grip, and a perspective. I have no doubt that right now on some lib board people are discussing some equally (in)valid examples of conservative freakery.
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By that post you seem to be saying that two wrongs make a right so since the two wrongs negate each other it is all right for them to do this.

Algebraically this would be expressed as (-1) + (-1) = 1 . It is a basic rule of algebra; two negatives added together equal a positive. i.e. a negative attack by Republicans (-1) + a negative attack by Democrats (-1) = a good thing for all concerned and apparently no crime has been committed by either because they each negate the other.

I hope that was clear.

By the way, you asked:
How many absentee voters have you signed up today?
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None, because they aren't here. :neener:
 
A math lesson "plus" an idiotic question!

Bravely ignoring the fear that I will be called the arithmetic cop or something worse, (-1) + (-1) do not +1 make.

The two wrongs don't make a right thing is mathematically provable. (-1) + (-1) = -2!! Ain't that fine how math can prove that two wrongs do not make a right. My teacher always told me that someday I'd need to know that. This was the day. Whooppiee!

You were thinking, I'll bet, about (-1) x (-1) = (+1).



Anyway. Now the idiotic question: What is this thing about the "tinfoil hat?" I imagine it has something to do with the tinfoil reflecting the evil rays that "they" are aiming at our heads, but I don't know for sure.

The judge told me one time that tinfoil in the hubcaps won't deflect traffic cop radar. Is this the same thing?

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My point, which apparently I did not make clearly, is that there are radical nutjobs on both the conservative and liberal fronts. I see no need to engage the DU when I am certain they could trot out any number of examples of conservative "dirty tricks." Rolling in the mud with pigs proves nothing. Diverting attention away from proactive positive measure like voter registration drives in order to trade spitballs with the loons is a waste.

I am by no means advocating that two wrongs make a right, cannot figure out how that assumption could be made, and am still mystifed by your algebraic explanation of a non-mathematical concept. Negative numbers are not "wrong", any more than black being the absence of color is "bad." If you want a quantifiable example of the adage that 2 wrongs dont make a right I would recommend applying an economic analysis indicating that the cost of X number of a given action exceeds the benefit or value garnered by said actions. Then the issue becomes one of acceptable deficit and significance. Two wrongs do make a right if the actor is satisfied with the benefit received versus the cost of the action. Typically this is the type of logic that is philosophically and morally unacceptable to many people, but with modification is the common analysis utilized by criminals.

All this to try to say in effect: do not wrestle with the hippies or you will wind up smelling as bad as they do.
 
Oh no, these guys do not represent the "established" Democratic party.

Real Democrats just get mobsters to stuff the ballot boxes.
 
ravinraven

Arrrrgh! Ya got me pardnah!

I feel like Hugh Grant when Leno asked him "What the Hell were you thinkin'?" :banghead:

Shows how long its been since I took alga ... alje ... alja ... algebra.

Yes, the tinfoil hat crowd is the patriot mythologist / conspiracy types.
 
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