Did secret service accidentally fire fatal shot to JFK's head

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Would it still be a secret? Probably. I watched all the TV coverage that day and for a few days later. There was a scene where the camera was panned to the grassy knoll and in the sunlight there was a thin cloud of smoke, like when you shoot. The sun was behind the cloud, otherwise it would not be visable. I have never seen that scene since.

Buy any conspiracy theory book on the Kennedy assassination and you can see a still of that picture. The problem is, we know where the camera was, and we can tell the smoke is at least as far the grassy knoll (which obscures part of the cloud.) From that we can tell the minimum size of the cloud -- which would be big enough to have come from a battery of artillery.

It's actually industrial in origin, from well beyond the grassy knoll.
 
I've read the book a couple of times, and other books, and watched many many reruns of the Zapruder film, and I think that Donahue is the one person who actually followed the evidence and got it right. Oswald fired two shots, one of which hit Kennedy (and Connally) and inflicted a mortal wound. The SS agent had an ND and blew Kennedy's brains out.
 
In Oliver Stone's JFK the Jim Garrison/Kevin Costner character is talking about how it would be impossible for Oswald to work the bolt and fire that many times in 5.6 seconds. Meanwhile he's doing it onscreen in less time. I've seen a conspiracy video that made the same mistake.

In reality, Oswald probably took closer to eight seconds for the three shots. The first shot probably came earlier than the Warren Commission thought. See here for why.

FWIW, JKF's head did not "blow apart." You can see the autopsy photos for yourself in Robert Groden's book.

John McAdams' site debunks a lot of the common conspiracy stuff that gets repeated over and over.
 
But why did Oswald do it? I've never heard a convincing motive.

Why did he renounce the US and go to Russia? Why did he go to Mexico? Why did he shoot at Walton Walker?

He did all of those things -- and the only good answer is "because he had a screw loose."
 
Why did he renounce the US and go to Russia? Why did he go to Mexico? Why did he shoot at Walton Walker?

He did all of those things -- and the only good answer is "because he had a screw loose."

Really? I didn't know he did those things. Are we sure he did all that stuff, is it possible that that was all fabricated after his death? Or was he really just a simple nut job?
 
Really? I didn't know he did those things. Are we sure he did all that stuff, is it possible that that was all fabricated after his death? Or was he really just a simple nut job?

Yes, we are sure -- he did that and more.

As for fabricating it after his death, did they fabricate his wife? He married a Russian girl while in Russia!
 
But why did Oswald do it? I've never heard a convincing motive.

Some nobody, who is short a few marbles, in a dead end job, who owns a rifle and is a rather good shot, has a chance of achieving instant fame by shooting the president, who he hates because of his political views.

Sounds good enough for me. I think there are quite a few people today who would take a pot shot at Bush if they where given the chance.
 
Pops

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>The claim, therefore, is that there was indeed a second shooter and that the 'pop' was the report of a shot being fired.<
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Likely what was recorded as a "pop" was actually the bullet breaking the sound barrier as it passed. Anyone who has ever been fired on from a distance with a high-velocity rifle will report two distinct sounds. The bullet crack, followed closely by the "thump" of the rifle's report. When you are triangulated roughly equidistant from the crack and thump, the sounds are almost identical and occur at almost the same instant, making it hard to tell which is which. If you are perfectly equidistant from the crack and thump zones, the sounds occur at exactly the same instant. If you're a little closer to the bullet...as in a right triangle with the rifle at the top...and you and the crack area forming the base of the triangle...you generally hear one, followed a fraction of a second later by the other...and they still sound almost identical. The first sound will be the bullet.

In order for the two sounds to be identical, you have to be some distance from both. If the bullet passes close to you, the sounds will be distinctive...
"Crack-Thump." This is likely the explanation for so many witnesses reporting six shots fired. They didn't realize that they were hearing two sounds for each shot. I'm surprised that someone involved with the investigation didn't note that fact. Surely, there was somebody at Dealy Plaza that day who had been shot at.

The witnesses closer to the rifle heard only the rifle. The ones closer
to the Kennedy limo heard both, as did the ones positioned somewhere in between. Since he was hit when he was roughly in line with the grassy knoll, the witnesses who were between rifle and impact point truly heard a "shot" come from somewhere around the knoll.

As for the assertion that Oswald couldn't have made the three shots at such a "Long Range" in the time that it took to make them being an argument for involvement of a second rifleman...Just about any 16 year-old North Cackalackey farm boy with grandpa's Thutty-Thutty could have made those shots...at least all the ones that I know could have.
 
I just finished reading Ultimate Sacrifice by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartman. The authors have spent 8 years pouring over the 90,000 documents that were declassified in 1996 on the assasination. It's not an easy read. The authors didn't intend it to read like a fast paced novel like much of the other literature on the subject. It's all footnoted back to the source. I'd say it's the most credible acount to date.

Jeff
 
The SS agent named as the shooter in "Mortal Error" won a judgement against the author and publisher. I believe the book is no longer in print as a result.

Oswald could have made the shot. The time he had was longer than previously believed since the shorter time was based on faulty interperation of the motorcycle cop's audio transmissions. The distance was short, about 90 yards, and the target was moving directly away.

Oswald could have done it easily. Did he? I don't know, but I think he did.
 
Everyone knows that Elvis shot JFK.
Then explain how they are living on an island of the coast of Cuba, sharing a condo with James Dean

I saw the same show that SturmRuger and HillBilly saw the near identical wounds and bullet paths were very compelling evidence of the one shot theory
 
It was Cancer Man. Doesn't anyone remember the X-Files?

I also doubt that there are aliens in Area 51, because to quote Calvin:
"The surest sign that there is intelligent life out there is that it hasn't tried to contact us." :D
 
Well this thread shows there are some real nut cases in the world, and some post here.

Oswald shot Kennedy. The physical evidence clearly proves it.
 
Probably the best book debunking all the conspiracy theories is "Case Closed", by Gerald Posner.

He does an exhaustive investigation of all the theories and shoots them full of holes.
This is easy, since MOST of them are stupid at best.
Jim Garrison was a sleazy New Orleans politician who played fast and loose with facts and the truth long before he set out to make a name for himself on JFK's dead body.

He also lists the "Mysterious deaths of 100 people involved in the Kennedy conspiracy".
These 100 people who died under "mysterious" circumstances are often referenced to "prove" there was a cover up.

The list is hilarious in places.
It lists an assistant New Orleans Medical examiner, 100 pounds overweight, who smoked 4 packs of cigarettes a day, drank like a fish, and ate high-fat foods like a pig.
He "mysteriously" dropped dead of a heart attack.
He, by the way had nothing to do with the case, he was simply employed at the office.

Another was a BROTHER to some minor figure who himself had nothing to do with anything, but who was just around.

Bottom line is, all the REAL evidence points to Oswald as the sole and only shooter, and there is NO valid evidence indicating anyone else.

Much of the conspiracy theories have been overtaken by events and science.
As an example, the recent program referenced above, PROVED there was no "shooter on the grassy knoll".
The apparent shadow HAD to be one of two things, IF IT WAS A PERSON.
1. It was a person about 30 inches tall. This was indicated by a size comparison between the shadow and a real person. The shadow was WAY too small.

2. If it was a person, in order for the size to match, he would have had to be 60 yards BEHIND the knoll, AND 20 to 30 feet up in the air.

Now, no one ever reported a Tom Thumb-sized shooter, and 60 yards back would have put the shooter in the train yard standing on a cherry picker.

What all this boils down to is known as "The Great Man Syndrome".
The Great Man walks out of his palace, prepares to step into his limo, steps on a banana peel, slips falls, and breaks his neck.

That however is NOT possible. He's a Great Man, and Great Men DO NOT die common deaths like everyone else.
It HAD to be a vast conspiracy.
The banana peel was PLANTED, (after being greased).
The body guard tripped him.
He was really shot with a disintegrating poison dart.
It really wasn't him it was an impostor.
Etc.

This is why Marylin Monroe was murdered, Jessie James actually died in Texas years later, (or was it New Mexico?, Billy the Kid died an old man in Mexico, John Dillinger faked his death, the embarrassed FBI covered it up, and Dillinger wound up working in California aircraft plants until he retired.
 
There are no aliens at Area 51.

That is correct. With all the publicity it has recieved it is probably the most famous military base in the country. Not very secret. The "good stuff" has been relocated to a more secure location. 51 does still remain an excellent base for research and testing but not for the really secret stuff. ;)
 
Sounds good enough for me. I think there are quite a few people today who would take a pot shot at Bush if they where given the chance.

Except most of those who want to, regard guns as evil and would never touch one.
 
I can't say I've read EVERY book about JFK's assassination, but I've read more of them than anyone else I know. I still own around 30 of them and have probably read double that over the years. That doesn't count all the documentaries I've watched on the topic.

I will say this. Of the conspiracy theories, Meninger's is probably the most plausible.

But in my opinion, the only theory that holds up to careful scrutiny is that Oswald did it on his own.

BTW, the motorcycle mike theory was conclusively disproved awhile back. Based on a reconstruction of various photographs and pictures of the scene, the motorcycle wasn't where it would have needed to be for the sound analysis to be meaningful. And, of course, the officer driving the cycle has steadfastly maintained for years that his radio was working fine and the mike wasn't stuck open on the day of the assassination.
 
Did secret service accidentally fire fatal shot to JFK's head?

(Without tinfoil hat): ...No.


Did secret service accidentally fire fatal shot to JFK's head?

(With tinfoil hat): ...Yes.


Did secret service accidentally fire fatal shot to JFK's head?

(With super-duper professional strength tinfoil hat): No...

;)
 
"Really? I didn't know he did those things. Are we sure he did all that stuff, is it possible that that was all fabricated after his death?"

It's well established that Oswald tried to kill retired general Edwin Walker, who was a staunch anti-Communist and was affiliated with the John Birch society.

How do we know that?

  • A bullet embedded in the wall of Walker's study matched the rifle recovered from the School Book Depository
  • Once Oswald was captured police recovered reconaissance photos Oswald took of the area around Walker's house. The photos have characteristics that match Oswald's camera.
  • Before leaving the house to kill Walker, Oswald gave his wife written instructions on where to go to bail him out of jail, which bills had been paid, etc. - he expected to be captured.
  • His wife testified that Oswald burned some of his documents related to the assassination atttempt, and stated that he was the one who had tried to kill Walker.

Oswald was a big time screwup and nutball. He was court martialed twice in the military, got out by claiming his mother was sick, renounced his U.S. citizenship, defected to the Soviet Union, attempted suicide, returned to the U.S., tried to ingratiate himself to the Cubans, and beat his wife. Occasionally you'll see him painted as some sort of all-American boy by the pro-conspiracy people. Don't believe it.

P.S. When you fill out your 4473 and have to answer whether you've ever renounced your U.S. citizenship, you probably have Oswald to thank. I'm guessing that part of the Gun Control Act of 1968 - as well as the end of mail order gun sales - was written with him in mind.
 
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