Discovery Channel "Pig Bomb"

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

That'd be 2 times as many as "the amount of pigs you had" - 2 parents, 4 offspring.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

That show totally ignored the one sure fire method of determining whether or not the hog in question is cross between a domestic hog and a Russian boar.


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Only Hybrid Wild Boar will have this tooth. Hybrid is a cross breed between domestic hogs and the Eurasian Hog (Russian Boar). Domestic hogs or domestic feral hogs will not have this tooth.
(Go to boartuff for all your hog info, such as aging.)

http://www.boartuffoutdoors.com/cgi-...num=1141873299

It is also called the "Euro-tooth." So far, the only references that I can find to support the claim that this is indicative of a Russian boar/feral hog mix is the site cited above. The other sites that mention this that I have found all refer to this one site or at least to the same set of images. For example...
http://www.hunting-in-texas.com/learnhogs.htm
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=319207
http://www.texasboars.com/articles/aging.html

I am sorry. I have seen this before and I have to laugh. That is a vestigial LPM1 (lower first premolar, adult tooth)!!!!

I have yet to see anything in my veterinary or osteology texts that support that crossing feral hogs and Russian boars produces this vestigial tooth, especially when it is a tooth that shows up in domestic hogs!!!!!!

http://www.d91.k12.id.us/skyline/teachers/robertsd/pig.htm
http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Pig/pigdom.htm

In fact, that tooth shows up as part of the dental formula for hogs which is

3 1 4 3
______
3 1 4 3

Why is it a vestigial? It is something of a remnant tooth. Many other artiodactyls have all but totally lost the tooth, but it still shows up in regularly in Suidae (pig family). Rarely, you will find a white-tailed deer with one or two vestigial LPM1s as something of a throwback.

Do the vestigial LPM1s always show up in domestic pigs? Nope. They are vestigial. Sometimes they are not there or when they are there they are smaller than their other PM counterparts, less well formed. They are a tooth being evolutionarily lost.

I really have to wonder how it is that folks come up with this stuff and pass it off as being some sort of diagnostic fact. :banghead::banghead:

Go look up pictures of domestic pigs on the internet and teeth like I showed you above and you will see that non-feral domestic pigs have this tooth with remarkable regularity.

First of all, there is no real biological stage of being "feral." The authors are treating "feral" as a biological entity that doesn't exist as an entity. So to say that the tooth is diagnostic of a cross between a feral hog and a Russian boar is garbage. Secondly, there is no information other than that one set of pictures on the internet that seems to support the claim.

 

[alemonkey]

Top 28 states with largest areas available for feral hog hunting (roughly in order):

1. Texas
2. California
3. Florida

....
28. Nebraska

Except it's illegal to hunt pigs in Nebraska. They don't want people to introduce them, so the thought is if hunting is illegal no one will introduce any.

There are rumors of wild pig herds in the state, though, and I'm guessing it's just a matter of time. Hopefully if the population does grow the state govt will be farsighted enough to allow hunting to control them.

 

[txman321]

hogs are crazy i see them every now and then but I cant shoot them cause i see them on someone elses land

 

[jimmertoons]

Ferals have started moving into Colorado. The state DOW has reclassified them as a nuisence animal, no season, no limit, no license required. The only limit is no one is allowed to charge for guiding.

 

[rondog]

Ferals have started moving into Colorado. The state DOW has reclassified them as a nuisence animal, no season, no limit, no license required. The only limit is no one is allowed to charge for guiding.

Really? Where at?

 

[TX Hog Hunter]

For anyone who hasn't seen this it's showing twice next Mon night on Discovery.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Except it's illegal to hunt pigs in Nebraska. They don't want people to introduce them, so the thought is if hunting is illegal no one will introduce any.

That's an interesting approach to take and I'll bet it works to a degree. At least until they're overrun eventually, at which time they'll change it to open season like the other states.

 

[Harve Curry]

Ferals have started moving into Colorado. The state DOW has reclassified them as a nuisence animal, no season, no limit, no license required. The only limit is no one is allowed to charge for guiding.
Being a self employed guide I don't like that rule
What ever happened to free enterprise and capitalism

I never hunted hogs but I'd like to try them with my old Spencer carbine. Does anyone know where in New Mexico?

 

[Marlin 45 carbine]

my home is in the S-W corner of North Carolina. there's lots of them here and they are wary. about the only way to hunt them succesfully w/o dogs is from a tree blind over bait.
if able to get a kill in wintertime they are good eating as the mast has fattened them up.

 

[Art Eatman]

Harve, if any are coming into NM from Texas, I'd guess around the Guadalupes. They're in the Texas Panhandle, so maybe along the eastern edge of NM. Dunno.

You could call the folks at the Elite gun store in Raton...

As far as Colorado's "no guides" deal, I have to guess that they want maximum hunting efforts to be made. The money angle is what's contributed to the size of the problem down here in Texas. I can see some nominal "damage deposit" fee, but high prices mean more hogs to do more damage to the land.

I used to hunt on a place up above Fort Davis, Texas. Few hogs. However, there were places around where it looked like a drunk on a backhoe had gone to digging large rocks. Twenty-foot circle, with basketball-sized rocks dug up.

 

[Harve Curry]

Thanks Art. I didn't get drawn for elk or deer. Actually most folks I know that put in didn't get drawn. So I will check into hunting hogs this coming fall/winter.

 

[~z]

Harve a buddy of mine did his masters on feral hog dispersion. The expand their range by following riperian areas. Follow a river or stream out of Texas and you will find them. Good luck and kill one for me. I am well on my way to a 100 pig year.
~z

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

100 pig year.

What the heck do you DO with all those - what % are buzzard meat?

 

[~z]

Food. We make several hundred lbs of sausage a year and some hams etc. I give a lot away to land owners, coworkers, friends, and family. Also we dont buy much meat. The wife likes chicken every so often and she buys me a big beef steak for my birthday. Other than that all our meat is off the fat of the land. Buzzards gotta seek their excitement elsewhere.
~z

 

[gunnie]

needed: the vulcan mind meld

bigbore442001 and alsaqr,

last year i did a tour in the sand box for the army. [save the applause for the GI's, sillyvillian worker for DoD] as luck would have it, the piggy population seems to have targeted the hay meadow in my absence.

have been brush hogging the place this weekend, and last. my little bitty old holland tractor is not really up to traversing the tank traps. i haven't seen tractors with suspension for sale, if you know of some pls PM me. only thirty more acres to go....

as my wife was understandably jervous and nerky about going out by herself when they come out [at night], i wouldda GLADLY let RESPONSIBLE hunters in to correct the problem. the kid who cuts the hay wanted to cap some of them. even his larger 'chines will rattle your teeth out in the ruts. problem is i've been out looking for pigs with him ONCE.

read between the lines, there.

please tell me how to determine one's firearms maturity when gazing upon the perspective candidates. not really looking to get my house cross ventilated, my animals shot, or dump vast amounts of american inflationary notes in tort lawyer fees.

gunnie

 

[Art Eatman]

gunnie, probably the best way to judge somebody about hunting is the "excitability" factor. Is the guy interested in learning about safe directions to shoot? Interested in learning the lay of the land, and likely areas to walk through or for sitting and watching? If he sorta takes this sort of thing as the proper way to learn about a new area, fine. If, however, he's full of the, "Oh, wow!", it's possible he might be a problem...

 

[alsaqr]

please tell me how to determine one's firearms maturity when gazing upon the perspective candidates. not really looking to get my house cross ventilated, my animals shot, or dump vast amounts of american inflationary notes in tort lawyer fees.

Best way I know of is to ask for references. Also look at the guys appearance; if he looks like a slob he most likely is a slob. Have the hunter sign a hold harmless agreement. If you decide to let a guy hunt on your place make it very clear that he is not to bring family and/or friends on that place with your express consent.

You do not want some of the guys who hunt hogs on your place. On a place that my wife and I own, my tower stand was hit by a bullet while I was in it. Two local kids were hog hunting with their SKS guns and decided they needed some target practice so they shot at the legs of my stand. I have permission to hunt several farms in an area that is totally overrun by hogs. Every farmer in that area has a few cows killed every year by hog hunters.

 

[RevolvingGarbage]

Ive seen big feral pigs out in the Hal Scott nature preserve down the 528 here in Orlando FL. They are big, they are aggressive, and they make huge mud holes which are a PITA when you are biking and have to get around them.

So basically the problem is too much uncooked bacon? Good problem to have.

 

[KenWP]

That'd be 2 times as many as "the amount of pigs you had" - 2 parents, 4 offspring.

I can't believe a doctor wrote this. Pigs are not like humans. they don't get married so you can have 1 boar and a hundred sows. So 4 times what you started out with is correct.

 

[Ditchtiger]

They are here in Oregon also. A small game license is all you need to have.
No bag limit, any gun, no magazine restriction, open season 24 hours a day.