Col. Plink
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think I'll hang onto my Saiga308v.21 (and my 12 guage) for now though...
think I'll hang onto my Saiga308v.21 (and my 12 guage) for now though...
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goredsox said:
Uh ... I have an M1A Scout, an FAL and a POF P308 and I certainly wouldn't find the M1A too heavy for hunting. In fact, the Scout would make a good hunting rifle and I'd rather carry the Scout around compared to the other two. People have been hunting people with them (M14/M1A) for over 50 years!
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I have the M1A Bush rifle (Same as the Scout Squad, but without the scope mounts), and it is a very accurate, quick firing, medium recoil rifle. I would count on it to dispatch just about anything that needed to be dispatched from varmints (nothing left) up to moose, and everything in between.
20-30 round mags that are easily changed, quick follow up shots, excellent sights. I don't think it's too heavy for hunting at all. I had to carry them regularly when I was in the Navy, and although 4-6 hours at a time it could feel a little hefty, I never felt under-gunned.
I think it's the perfect rifle.
A .22 pistol, a 12ga pump/auto shotgun, and an M1A (with enough ammo for each) is all you would need to survive anywhere in the world, under pretty much any circumstance.
20-30 round mags that are easily changed, quick follow up shots, excellent sights. I don't think it's too heavy for hunting at all. I had to carry them regularly when I was in the Navy, and although 4-6 hours at a time it could feel a little hefty, I never felt under-gunned.
I think it's the perfect rifle.
A .22 pistol, a 12ga pump/auto shotgun, and an M1A (with enough ammo for each) is all you would need to survive anywhere in the world, under pretty much any circumstance.
Purgatory
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I concluded the M1A to fit my needs for all those purposes a while back. So, all you guys that own one, just know you own my dream rifle.
-And when the SHTF, I'm comin' for it!!
The Socom really sings to me, if not a little over the top, but their ad company makes bank for a reason.
Dunno when I'll ever have the dough for that one, but when I do, that's my main battle rifle, hunting rifle, defend any fortress big or small rifle and your list of three guns there would pretty much sum up mine as well, Zombie.
Might sneak in a glock or two, but that mostly covers it.
Guess the old trusty SKS will have to suffice 'til that eventual financial windfall that graces us all finally uh....comes.
Don't take my promise too seriously, though, that beautiful battle rifle could pick me off before I'm anywhere near SKS range.
Just stay on your toes.
-And when the SHTF, I'm comin' for it!!
The Socom really sings to me, if not a little over the top, but their ad company makes bank for a reason.
Dunno when I'll ever have the dough for that one, but when I do, that's my main battle rifle, hunting rifle, defend any fortress big or small rifle and your list of three guns there would pretty much sum up mine as well, Zombie.
Might sneak in a glock or two, but that mostly covers it.
Guess the old trusty SKS will have to suffice 'til that eventual financial windfall that graces us all finally uh....comes.
Don't take my promise too seriously, though, that beautiful battle rifle could pick me off before I'm anywhere near SKS range.
Just stay on your toes.
Oohrah
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Carried a pre 64 Model 70 in 30-06, early Nam. No complaints, but it is old school. Go M14 Springfield, and modernize. You won't be sorry!!! If affordable by you, the White Feather model has all the whisles and bells to get her done
C-grunt
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Jeez thats a hard decision. All three are excellent rifles. I'd say an iron sighted bolt gun is about the perfect woods/survival rifle as its a simple action and are usually accurate.
But as a defense rifle I would want a M1A or an AR10.....
Im gonna say M1A for now. My answer would probably change tomorrow, thats how close I put these three.
But as a defense rifle I would want a M1A or an AR10.....
Im gonna say M1A for now. My answer would probably change tomorrow, thats how close I put these three.
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That's why I chose them.
I think some discredit the M70 for defense but I think in the proper configuration it could hold its own with the accurized semi-autos.
Possibly a custom scout conversion. (think Jim Brockman)
That being said, the M1A holds a certain appeal.
The AR-10 would serve the same purpose but I see the M1A as being the more rugged of the two.
Am I wrong?
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I would also choose the M1A, and modernize if you'd like. The AR10 is a little lighter, but it's no lightweight. The M1A also runs much cleaner in my experience.
I have never owned one but it looks to me like the Armalite is a hell of a weapon. and it would be more versatile than the other two, but the M70 scoped would be fine choice. The only M1a you could scope that would be light enough for (confortable) practical use would be a synthetic version, and those are likely to be less accurate than the other two choices.
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Of your options, I have an M1A Loaded and a M70 Featherweight in 300WSM. Of the two, the M70 is a lot easier to carry around all day hunting. I also have a 16" 308 Saiga, and it is also a lot easier to handle than the M1A; although it barks louder...
I was thinking it would be fun to get an M70 in .308 and cut the barrel down to 18" and put an M14 flash/bayonet rig on it...but they don't make .308 M70 lefties, and i have an FR-7...OP, have you considered an FR-8? Or a Spanish 1916?
The AR was originally designed by Eugene Stoner in 7.62NATO, and scaled down to 5.56, so there's no reason an AR-10 shouldn't perform as well or better than an AR-15.
They're all fun. Once you get one.... you need to decide what to get next.
I was thinking it would be fun to get an M70 in .308 and cut the barrel down to 18" and put an M14 flash/bayonet rig on it...but they don't make .308 M70 lefties, and i have an FR-7...OP, have you considered an FR-8? Or a Spanish 1916?
The AR was originally designed by Eugene Stoner in 7.62NATO, and scaled down to 5.56, so there's no reason an AR-10 shouldn't perform as well or better than an AR-15.
They're all fun. Once you get one.... you need to decide what to get next.
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I dont have a M1A or AR10, but I have the DPMS LR308, and some M1 Garands - and the (scoped) LR308 is very close to the same weight as my Garand. I have always been surprised at the weight of the DPMS 308 - I guess Im just used to the AR15.
I would go with the M1A - its on my short list of "must haves"
I would go with the M1A - its on my short list of "must haves"
C-grunt
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The only thing the M70 gives up to the other two is fast follow up shots. For home defense that can be a major problem but the world used bolt action rifles during several large wars, so it is a viable combat rifle.
Mount a tough lower powered scope, like an ACOG, and you got a decent CQB sight that still works for longer ranges.
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Remington ltr.
stiletto raggio
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High-end AR-10 with collapsible stock and 18-20 inch barrel, free-float hand guard and a 2-8 illuminated reticle scope. I have a NM M1A but it was designed for use with open sights and requires an aftermarket cheek rest to use a scope. It is also extremely heavy. The AR-10 design is much easier to use with optics (which you would need for a do-all rifle) and the Magpul mags are lighter and less expensive than M1A mags. The M70 is out because bolt actions were obolescent as close quarters weapons 65 years ago.
Zerodefect
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For those that asked. FYI:
LMT .308:
So far looks reasonably priced at $2250ish. Ambi selector is a nice touch. Every battle rifle needs one.
Larue OBR:
The OBR has a 10moa slope to its top rail for better scope range. A bit pricier than the LMT. Both can use the new big .308 Magpul Pmags.
When it's time to add a .308 to my quiver I'm getting a LMT .308.
LMT .308:
So far looks reasonably priced at $2250ish. Ambi selector is a nice touch. Every battle rifle needs one.
Larue OBR:
The OBR has a 10moa slope to its top rail for better scope range. A bit pricier than the LMT. Both can use the new big .308 Magpul Pmags.
When it's time to add a .308 to my quiver I'm getting a LMT .308.
12131
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Zerodefect, where do you find the LMT 308 for $2250? Cheapest I got was $2495.
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Bummer. I have none in my area.
But a heard someone got one for $2250. $2500 is msrp I think. At least that's what LMT claimed it's price would hover around.
Still $2500 aint bad for what it is.
But a heard someone got one for $2250. $2500 is msrp I think. At least that's what LMT claimed it's price would hover around.
Still $2500 aint bad for what it is.
12131
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$2500 WAS the original msrp. It's $2800 now for the CL barrel, and $3333 for the blackened ss barrel.
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My vote is for lever action Savage model 99. TR
Maverick223
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I would choose the Kel-Tec RFB, or perhaps the FN FAL. Of the choices listed the M1A.
It truly surprised me that more folks have not selected a bolt rifle, of any make. I do like semi-autos, but I was raised up with single-shots, and bolt-actions.
There is no knocking the M1A, well not legitimately. I have had two M1A "Loaded" rifles, and they were quite accurate! My concern with them was ruggedness. I know they aren't "fragile", but they also are not a first-choice for firing a wide array of projectile loads due to the operating rod. I tend to push my hand loads to the north edge of psychotic, and the M1A will not tolerate that very well.
I have also owned both Bushmaster, Colt and DPMS ARs in both 5.56 and 7.62. They too were nice, and accurate. But they didn't have the attraction to me that the bolt has for simplicity sake. Dang, but the AR platform has a lot of small parts, pieces... I've had dozens of surgical procedures form an auto accident, and so I prefer simple. Again, it is not a slam on the AR platform. They are fantastic...and fun.
In the end, I have gone back almost exclusively to bolt-actions, M700s, M70s, and M84s. They are accurate, and repeat shots are fast enough. They also are simplistic, and very rugged. I don't knock the AR, the M1, the M1A, etc. They are very, very fine weapons. They just aren't my cup-of-tea. That is not to imply that I do not lust every time I see one. But for me, simple and rugged is preferred.
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There is no knocking the M1A, well not legitimately. I have had two M1A "Loaded" rifles, and they were quite accurate! My concern with them was ruggedness. I know they aren't "fragile", but they also are not a first-choice for firing a wide array of projectile loads due to the operating rod. I tend to push my hand loads to the north edge of psychotic, and the M1A will not tolerate that very well.
I have also owned both Bushmaster, Colt and DPMS ARs in both 5.56 and 7.62. They too were nice, and accurate. But they didn't have the attraction to me that the bolt has for simplicity sake. Dang, but the AR platform has a lot of small parts, pieces... I've had dozens of surgical procedures form an auto accident, and so I prefer simple. Again, it is not a slam on the AR platform. They are fantastic...and fun.
In the end, I have gone back almost exclusively to bolt-actions, M700s, M70s, and M84s. They are accurate, and repeat shots are fast enough. They also are simplistic, and very rugged. I don't knock the AR, the M1, the M1A, etc. They are very, very fine weapons. They just aren't my cup-of-tea. That is not to imply that I do not lust every time I see one. But for me, simple and rugged is preferred.
Geno
I have the AR-10 20" barrel with a Magpul PRS stock, and that's what I would choose. (unless I had the bucks for the LaRue OBR - I have the new LT-15 (5.56mm) version of the OBR and it is very well made and just plain solid, plus you get sub-MOA guaranteed and they include a 5 shot target to back it up - mine came with a target group that measured 0.487" but I haven't verified that myself since I just got it)
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