CraigC
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And you know that's what they're doing how, exactly???
Does the cost of Ruger mags tick anyone else off?
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Averageman
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No. I mean I would prefer them to cost less but such is life. FWIW, if you read a lot of the articles that came out when the Scout was rolled out, Ruger did try M1A magazines first but found too much varriation in M1A mags so reliable feeding was an issue.
I will call B/S on this rumor; I don't believe Ruger even attempted this.
Ruger's production history says Ruger's rifles take propietary magazines and thats just the way it is. Otherwise the Mini's would take the AR or AK mags that were available at the time these rifles came out.
I will call B/S on this rumor; I don't believe Ruger even attempted this.
Ruger's production history says Ruger's rifles take propietary magazines and thats just the way it is. Otherwise the Mini's would take the AR or AK mags that were available at the time these rifles came out.
Onward Allusion
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$70?!? And I thought Sig factory mags were expensive!
Creature
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The fact that Ruger designed this rifle so that it will not accept M14/M1A or FAL mags but instead designed it so that it only accepts proprietary mags will be a major deal breaker for many many potential customers. They could have hit the bullseye with the rifle...but they missed it again by a mile.
Andrew Wyatt
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You may want to compare the width of an m-14 magazine and the width of any common boltgun magazine opening.
To make the m-14 mag work, you need to make an entirely new receiver, or cut away so much of the m77 receiver that the rigidity of the receiver is compromised.
The AICS magazine is not proprietary. it's the standard for detachable bolt gun magazines.
To make the m-14 mag work, you need to make an entirely new receiver, or cut away so much of the m77 receiver that the rigidity of the receiver is compromised.
The AICS magazine is not proprietary. it's the standard for detachable bolt gun magazines.
Yeah, if you've ever messed with a bolt gun with good detachable magazine system, it's likely that the system is designed around the AICS standard. It is the defacto standard when it comes to detachable mag systems for bolt guns. They load easy, run slick and work the way they're supposed to. Personally, I don't mind paying the price for reliability.
eazyrider
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Well okay, I agree with some of you that the Mini mags may be justified in cost. I still think they are a little high but okay. But 70 bucks for a mag is just way too much. I don't think I can be convinced that it's a fair price. I am really surprised that so many on here are okay with that. To me that is a blatant rip-off. I just don't get how they could possibly cost that much to make. Even factoring in R&D. Ruger is a very well experienced gun company, they know how to make mags.
CraigC
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Like I said before, it's a lifetime investment. You'll burn out several barrels before you wear out the magazine.
Murphy4570
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Jeez, I wanted a Mini 14, and now I dunno. I like having a lot of magazines (reloading at the range takes time away from shooting!).
eazyrider
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I have worn out a few mags but I concede the point. If we judged everything by how fast it wears out or how long it last then a hammer should cost thousands. Wrenches, hand tools in general should be in the hundreds at least. Point is, look at what it is and tell me that it should cost 70 bucks. Buy two and your at 140. I have seen Mav 88's on sale for that price!
Andrew Wyatt
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the tooling and dies to make a magazine in a reasonable manner cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
to break even on a 250,000 set of dies, at 70 dollars, they need to sell 3,571 magazines.
that's why they cost so much.
to break even on a 250,000 set of dies, at 70 dollars, they need to sell 3,571 magazines.
that's why they cost so much.
R.W.Dale
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Forget about M1a mags and the ruger. THEY WON'T WORK
Some of us myself included have installed m1a mags onto ruger 77's. The internal box mag is almost identical to the outline of an m1a mag. This is a problem because on a bolt gun the feed lips are part of the receiver so when you stick an m14 mag in you stack feed lips. The solution is to cut the feed lips off the m14 mag and affix it perminately, because otherwise it won't hold ammo when not installed in the gun.
To do any different requires building an entirely different action.
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Some of us myself included have installed m1a mags onto ruger 77's. The internal box mag is almost identical to the outline of an m1a mag. This is a problem because on a bolt gun the feed lips are part of the receiver so when you stick an m14 mag in you stack feed lips. The solution is to cut the feed lips off the m14 mag and affix it perminately, because otherwise it won't hold ammo when not installed in the gun.
To do any different requires building an entirely different action.
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IslandTimes
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Alpha Industries has a double stack magazine that supposedly works in the Ruger GSR. AND it comes at the bargain price of $62! (plus shipping)
While I agree the price for these Scout mags are pretty steep, they are AI mags, and you have to pay for quality.
While I agree the price for these Scout mags are pretty steep, they are AI mags, and you have to pay for quality.
Z-Michigan
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Silly Creature, I know plenty about "modern" production techniques (stamping, folding and welding is not exactly new). You're confusing marginal cost with total cost. Others already pointed out the HUGE tooling cost for the stamping dies. If you're making millions of mags, you can spread that cost around. If you're only expecting a few thousand, you'll need to charge plenty per mag to recoup your investment.
351 WINCHESTER
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Ruger should include an extra mag with each gun.
Creature
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Ruger already has most of what they need to make box magazines for the Scout.
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Oh, you mean they somehow happened to have the dies and fixturing specifically for the Scout magazine just laying until they decided to build the rifle?
I've said this a million times on this board already, but the tooling for making precision sheetmetal parts is very expensive. Once you have invested that capital and labor the parts themselves can be made fairly cheaply--but you then have to recoup your costs somehow. The price of each part will be greatly affected by the volume of the parts the manufacturer intends to sell.
These are basic principles of manufacturing and economics. The fact that most people don't understand them reflects the service-based economy we find ourselves in.
Grousefeather
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Ruger mag price
Well, compared to my Tikka T-3, 40 bucks is cheap. They ask about 70, and the cheapest i can find on line is in the 50 dollar range.
Well, compared to my Tikka T-3, 40 bucks is cheap. They ask about 70, and the cheapest i can find on line is in the 50 dollar range.
bearfoot
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Really? You're still griping about this? Move on to a different rifle - Ruger obviously doesn't make one for you.
I'm thinking about a getting GSR, and I know the cost of mags going in. It's a rifle that I want, not one that I need (If I had a specific need to fill, it would be filled by a gun with a narrower focus, not a general purpose gun like the GSR). I'll probably take the stock 10-round, buy a couple of fivers and call it quits. It's a bolt rifle, not one I'll likely be plinking with, and if I do plink with it, I won't be in any hurry so filling a mag in the field won't be an issue. If the mags are reliable and durable (which they are by everything I've heard), I'll never need to replace them. .308 ammo at >$1/round will be a much higher cost over a couple year's time.
I'm thinking about a getting GSR, and I know the cost of mags going in. It's a rifle that I want, not one that I need (If I had a specific need to fill, it would be filled by a gun with a narrower focus, not a general purpose gun like the GSR). I'll probably take the stock 10-round, buy a couple of fivers and call it quits. It's a bolt rifle, not one I'll likely be plinking with, and if I do plink with it, I won't be in any hurry so filling a mag in the field won't be an issue. If the mags are reliable and durable (which they are by everything I've heard), I'll never need to replace them. .308 ammo at >$1/round will be a much higher cost over a couple year's time.
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Andrew Wyatt
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Ruger does investment casting, not sheetmetal. They subcontract their magazines out.
Also, the AICS magazine isn't a ruger design. Accuracy International came up with it.
oneounceload
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You just don't understand how business and manufacturing works it seems. You REALLY think that is the only cost that goes into that product? Oh, and let's not forget profit.
It isn't over-priced, you are under-financed.
Don't like the price, don't buy it, the person in line behind you will instead
Autopistola
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I'd have a few more mini mags if they were <$30. Since it's a plinker/varmnit carbine, I've got a 15 and a 25 that work well and will do.
Good ol' AK...$12 mags that are tough enough to pound nails with!
Good ol' AK...$12 mags that are tough enough to pound nails with!
Creature
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Uh huh. With the kind of business sense, my bet is that you will be unpleasantly surprised at just how short that line is...
CraigC
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It's not an AR with 60yrs of government contracts to make production cheaper than dirt. Nor is it an AK with years of surplus supply. It might occur to some folks that the mags cost what they 'should' cost. Ruger is obviously not trying to get rich off your $70 magazines.
Ruger has turned a profit for all of their 62yr existence. They operate on cash. Have no debt. Name one other gunmaker with such a record. Maybe you know better how to run their business???
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