Don't take being armed as meaning you won't get killed...

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This is a very sobering story about someone who was a customer at our gun shop. Butch was a nice guy who loved trading guns and as long as any of us knew him was never unarmed. This past Monday morning, someone showed up at his home, knocked on his door, and shot him dead in his own house.
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20...ice-Greer-man-died-in-shootout-during-robbery

I've told my son to stop answering the door unless whoever is there is expected, and we are changing security around our own house. Butch just bought another gun on last Thursday and was in the gun shop on Saturday. He was a Viet Nam veteran, helped in a soup kitchen, and was well known to help anyone who needed help. Now, we're wondering how something like this could happen.

WT
 
RIP

...

I'm very sorry for your loss of your friend and an un-sung Hero not only for his service to our Country but to mankind as I read it..

I know I shouldn't say this but I'm glad his shot to her leg led to her bleeding out..

My thoughts are with you, his family, and his friends

God bless'em


Ls

Ps.. and I agree, "check and verify" who's at the front door prior to opening and "be rdy/per-paired" - times have changed
 
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Sorry... sounds like he was one of the good guys. I don't think any of us here believe ourselves to be invulnerable because we're armed. In fact, having been a combat veteran, it's unlikely this was Butch's first gun battle.
 
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Sorry to hear, may he rest in peace. Our prayers go out to his family & friends.........
 
Sorry to read about your friend Butch, I too am personally glad the robber went down with him.
 
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I don't think there's a connection to anyone at the soup kitchen where Butch helped. These folks came to his house with robbery in mind, and his reputation in the neighborhood was one of someone who helped people. Evidently, the woman actually showed up at the door with the gun in her hand and when Butch refused to give her money, she simply shot him in the chest. He shot her on the way down, and from the information from the law enforcement center, he was dead before he hit the floor. It's really a shame, because he was really a nice guy... but that doesn't count for much when you're a target.

WT
 
Sorry to hear another Brother going to that last formation in the sky. May God Bless Him.

As to the subject. I Don't open my door to anyone I don't recognize as a friend. After dark, even passing acquaintances will not get an open door.

I have no children. Keep a Benelli M4 #1 Buck and a Beretta 92 G Vertec & Surefire X300 with DG switch. It is loaded with 18 of Peter Pi's Cor-Bon Solid Copper DPX 115gr +P by my chair, and any activity at the door, If my Colt Commander is not on my hip the Beretta will respond as needed.

Opening my front door is about being polite. I stopped that for folks I don't know years ago. It simply amazes me the number of folks that will open their door to anyone and often at the strangest and dangerous times.

Expect to be hit when you fight anyone anytime, regardless of what I am carrying. That way if you are hit, it isn't a surprise. Gives you a better mindset when you are hit, so as to fight through the pain & damage and continue until the fight is won.

Go figure.

Fred

Semper Fi
 
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Hopefully the good example he set with his kind nature in life will lead to more people doing good...which is as good a legacy as any of us could ask for.
 
Sorry to hear about the loss of a good man, not sorry to hear that he got off one last shot that did the job that needed to be done.
 
There were some very brutal home invasions in Richmond a few years ago. A family with small children were tortured and killed. I tell my mom all the time "DO NOT OPEN THE DOOR FOR STRANGERS". Unfortunately sometimes she doesn't listen, and my grandmother is even worse. Being armed is only a small step toward protecting yourself. Unfortunately being too nice has made people targets. Looks like that was the situation here, predators picking on the nice guy.
 
It appears that the intruder knew that he was armed.

This reminds me of an article in former "Outside" magazine a few years ago, about people who climb onto boats in the Caribbean while the owners might be below deck.

In a tragic case the attackers already had the boat's owner -a popular pro bicycle racer- in their sights.
The owner never imagined that he could already be in their sights, and with a gun in his hand, raised or not (don't know), he was killed as he climbed up through the hatch.

I met a guy in Bass Pro a few years ago who was robbed on his boat after midnight. He would not tell me which island it was (Bahamas?), because their gun laws prohibit boat owners (or citizens?) from being armed. He planned to take a gun on his next cruise, no matter what the law.
His plan was to have either a shotgun or AK clone.
 
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Hate to hear that, sounds like he was one of the good guys. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and the family.

But the best way to look at this is even though he passed, it's still a victory for all the good guys out there, he may have sacrificed all but he made us all safer in doing so.
 
This was the ultimate home invasion... coming to the home with the intent to rob and/or kill... picking an elderly victim... and showing up armed with the gun in hand to commit murder. The only thing missing is a "crowd" of bad guys doing this... and apparently there was at least one accomplice to drive the evil deed doer to the scene.

I rant at the gun shop all the time that it's time to be "packin' 24/7" and don't go to the bathroom without a gun within reach. It's getting to be a really bad world out there, and the economy is only going to make it worse.

For those that think the police can keep you safe, be advised that most of the time, a home invasion 911 call is merely a call for medical personnel to come assist any victims that are still alive, and for the police to come draw the chalk outlines to fill out their report.

This was a horrendous crime. Knowing the victim only makes it strike home that much harder, and shows me that all of us need to be ready at any time to make the necessary decisions to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

WT
 
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This is a very sobering story about someone who was a customer at our gun shop. Butch was a nice guy who loved trading guns and as long as any of us knew him was never unarmed. This past Monday morning, someone showed up at his home, knocked on his door, and shot him dead in his own house.
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20...ice-Greer-man-died-in-shootout-during-robbery

I've told my son to stop answering the door unless whoever is there is expected, and we are changing security around our own house. Butch just bought another gun on last Thursday and was in the gun shop on Saturday. He was a Viet Nam veteran, helped in a soup kitchen, and was well known to help anyone who needed help. Now, we're wondering how something like this could happen.

WT
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Not that a movie is needed to remind you not to open the door for strangers, as there are enough real life examples like this one. However I always remember a great movie called "A Clockwork Orange" where the guy at the door says he needs help because someone was just in an accident and was bleeding to death in the road. He needs to use the telephone to call an ambulance, but of course once the door opens, he and his gang have at it.
I live in a nice neighborhood, but still speak through the door and tell solicitors to bugger off.
 
Sorry for the loss of your friend..........again, I never open the door unless I'm expecting you.
Want to use my phone or need assistance in the dark of the night or early morning.....go to my neighbors house, we're not available......sorry , but that's just the way it is.
 
Youch! When it was his time, it was his time. God bless such a man. I hope the jury throws the book at his killer.
 
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What a tragedy.
RIP Butch.

According to the news release he was the kind of guy to help the down trodden and it might be that a black heart took advantage of his good heart.
The poor guy probably did not get a danger signal when he opened the door because it was a woman knocking.
Lesson for all of us.
Although this statement might not be high road but I for one am glad he rid that parasite from our world before he passed away.
RIP Butch.
 
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