DPMS LR-308

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Who here has a DPMS Panther LR-308? I'm not especially interested in the AP4 model. The Model I *am* interested in is the 18" Bull Barrel model. How do the "regular" ones shoot? I'm sure they're accurate, but are they reliable? Will they do rapid fire? Will they handle getting a little dirty? Can you put a few hundred rounds through them without cleaning and without stoppages? Or are the chambers so tight that non-match ammo will have trouble cycling?
 
I'm working on aquiring one or the parts to make one, I can't offer you any more than that right now.
I know from friends over, over there, that the Stoners and Armalites are undulating in performance.
Some days and some battles they are very, very good, and then there are the bad days, and from what I understand they can be very, very, bad.
Bad enough that people won't be coming home breathing.

Only time will tell how well any of the 7.62 NATO ARs will really perform.
 
from all the reports of the DPMS 308, the vast majority are very good reviews, and quite a few police departments are getting them now. I have seen them in 3 gun matches and they are very accurate and dependable.
You can go to ar15.com and look in the Industry section for DPMS and see some of the posts there. more than one magazine has voted them the rifle of the year.
 
I have the AP4

It is very accurate, and reliable. There are changes that each user makes with any rifle (especially a lefty like yourself) and I made a few here:
The muzzle device is a little loud, and a 16" barrel certainly doesn't need any help with that. I added a Vortex, and it is quieter.

The trigger assy needed a little love. I took it apart and used a little 0000 steel wool and a LOT of elbow grease to make it nice. It breaks a little over five pounds, but now it feels "right".

The safety seems to sit lower than a normal AR. I had an ambi unit on there, an it bit my trigger finger. I have removed it.

The free-floated aluminum forestock gets HOT. After about 100 rounds of moderate fire, I couldn't hold it any more. I wear a nomex glove when I shoot it now, but we're talking HOT. I know of no way to solve this problem, as I hate railed forends, and really like free-floated systems. I'm working on it, but for now I just shoot it slower, or add a glove.

My gun was shipped BONE DRY with no oil of any kind on it anywhere. I was a little surprised, as normally rifles are shipped with way too much oil, as you probably know.

Mags are a little expensive, but not bad, really. Midway has them for $35 each, which isn't what I would call a deal-breaker, but it aint no FAL. I'm actually looking for more now, maybe used, as I somehow ended up with springs and followers left over.

The sights are really great, and mine required almost NO adjustment. I slapped the rear sight on, tightened the thumb screws, and fired it at 25M.
Three rounds touching. One half inch from my mark. I'm told this is not typical, as the sight shipped off the rifle.

This gun is lighter than a FAL carbine, and heavier than the SOCOM-16 (the original one) Not a bad weight, and in my opinion it balances better than the FAL carbine.

I did some magazine dumps with it, simply to test its rapid fire ability, and it really runs the brass out! I fired a little over five rounds a second until I had five empty mags, and like I said above, I couldn't touch the handguard, but it ran perfect. Accuracy didn't seem to be affected by the heat all that much, with the biggest group of Wolf measuring just under 3", and the smallest at right under 1" with M-118.
No failures of any kind the first day shooting it, in over 500 rounds without cleaning. (I did run a boresnake through the barrel twice in the beginning. I'm not one to "break in" a barrel) All the brass fell in the exact same place forward and to my left about ten feet. I shot 200 rounds of M-118, 200 of SA surplus, and 100 or Wolf. All of it was fine, and the brass looked reloadable after shooting.

I was shopping for a DSA Sa-58 Tactical, and picked one of these up instead. Price locally was $1005, and I bought ten mags from Miday for $340. So, for $1345, I had the rifle and twelve magazines. Can't say I could do that with any other .308 with the possible exception of the Saiga. The best part of the DPMS AP4 was that the entire bolt carrier group is hard chromed. Pretty nice work, too. It is a snap to clean, which is a plus in a direct-impingement system.
NC, I understand you already have a STG-58 carbine, and I believe the DPMS would be a wonderful companion to it. It is lefty-friendly, and the bull-barreled model is really very nice. No sights, of course, and no dust cover or forward assist. I handled one, and liked it, but wanted the shorty first.

Good luck, and if you every come to VA Beach, you can shoot mine.
Steve
 
Mags are a little expensive, but not bad, really. Midway has them for $35 each, which isn't what I would call a deal-breaker, but it aint no FAL.

This makes me wonder how the Rock River .308 AR is going to work out.
 
I saw the RRA...

...I don't care for the configuration. It may prove to be a better rifle, but I doubt it will be a better value.
 
If someone already had a few AR15s and used them a lot, having a 308-chambered rifle with the same ergonomics would seem to be A Good Thing (cost of magazines notwithstanding).....

The DMPS magazines traditionally were around $60 for a 20rd and the Armalites were around $40. I didn't know that MidwayUSA had the DPMS mags down under $40 - that's pretty competitive.
 
They cost the same as M-14 mags.

At $35 each, it's the same price (actually less) as new M-14 mags. You save $300 buying the DPMS rifle, and offset the savings with mags. Makes the savings a wash if the competitor's mags are dirt cheap. If not, then the DPMS is going to be the better overall value.
 
I'm kinda in the same boat as you. I want a .308 AR to add to the stable but can't decide. I really like the DPMS 24"SS model for the price, especially compared to the Armalite's. But then I heard about RRA bringing in their model. The fact that it will take $3 FAL mags compared to $40-50 apiece AR mags really seals the deal. I wish they would hurry up with them so I can compare. I have their "Entry Tactical" .223 model which is their M4 clone and it is an excellent weapon. Also RRA's list prices are very comparable to the DPMS line.
 
I'm looking forward to RRA coming out with their .308 AR styled rifle as well. I've read enough reviews in magazines and posts from owners about the DPMS to be convinced this is a quality rifle for a fair price. I'm wanting the carbine version myself and I've seen the DPMS AP4 rifles on Gunbroker for under $1000.

The magazine prices are kind of steep for the DPMS in my opinion. That's just something you've got to bite the bullet on (no pun intended). I'm not gonna pass on a quality rifle because the mag prices are a bit high just as I'm not gonna buy a substandard rifle just because I can get cheap mags for it.

The fact that the RRA will use FAL mags is a definate plus in my opinion. I've got a RRA AR-15 and feel it's a great rifle. From what I have read on AR15.com the Bushmaster .308 was licensed to them by RRA. So RRA is taking their original design and improving on it based on what they learned from Bushmaster's problems. Makes them sound like genius' don't it. Anyway there is a lot of talk on AR15.com about the DPMS .308 line and the eagerly awaited RRA model. There is a RRA factory rep who posts on the site quite a bit about the new rifle. According to him they are not gonna release it till they get it where they want it. I like that attitude myself, and can't wait to see what they come up with.

Shabo
 
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