Dude carrying a gun in public in VA has an AD that ends in his own death

[SunnySlopes]

We know that fact and that Glocks outnumber all of them. This man had a Glock. You keep getting off track when discussing what this person did.

No, you're being intellectually dishonest. The man was carrying the gun in an unsafe manner. The Glock was not an accident waiting to happen. He was an accident waiting to happen.

Read Texas' statement:

If someone insists on carrying a semi auto without a holster, where the trigger is exposed all the time, the proper way to do it is in Condition 3.

Glock is a perfectly safe firearm, but no firearm is safe in careless hands.

But you go on believing whatever you choose. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I don't have time to waste on people who aren't interested in dialogue. You're interested only in monologue and it's not worth my time.

 

[TexasRifleman]

You don't have to do a thing to be safe.

Other than not pulling the trigger, that's exactly right.

I don't remember seeing any Glock advertising that said if you pull the trigger the gun won't fire unless it's pointed at a bad guy. It's funny that here on THR we continually rail against the anti's for blaming the gun when bad thing happen yet some are perfectly willing to do it here in this case.

 

[rellascout]

A Spotsylvania County man with a valid concealed-weapon permit died after a semi-automatic pistol without an external safety discharged as he tried to adjust the weapon, which was tucked into his waistband, investigators have concluded

Hey JohnBT and GBExpat where is your apology or at least a correction of your complaints?

GBExpat: Not trying to put words in JohnBT's mouth, but for one reason that should be obvious to you, you specified in the @SUBJ that he had a VA CHP.

Other than for the sake of accuracy, I was looking at the story from the point of view of an anti making an argument against carry permits I mostly found it strange that they hadn't reported any details, but somebody knew he had a carry permit. .

I stated from the start that this guy has a CCW permit and you got your shorts all in a bunch. were bothered by my original thread title and low and behold look you was correct.....You were sooooo concerned about accuracy yet nothing but silence now.

Back on topic LOL

The guy had a permit, he appears to have been carrying in an unsafe manner and paid for it with his life. Do not blame the Glock blame him. He pulled the trigger. Gaston did not. People really need to understand the responsiblity and the risk that carrying a gun entails. If you carry you have a duty to yourself and others to do so in as safe a manner as possible.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Consider... A little child picks up a loaded Glock, points it at another child and pulls the trigger. It goes bang. Now, replace the Glock with, say, a Makarov on safe and two hurdles are in place: disengagement of the thumb safety and the long DA trigger pull.

All of my guns are locked up or on me besides my shotgun. When I actually have kids, I'll get a wall mounted lock for the shotgun but thats all that would change. By your logic, all guns should have a heavy trigger pull because they might be left out. I'll take being smart about storing my guns.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

and this guy was less than 5 mins from a trauma center, for all the good it did him

 

[JohnBT]

" stated from the start that this guy has a CCW permit and you got your shorts all in a bunch. were bothered by my original thread title and low and behold look you was correct...."

There wasn't any reference in the beginning. Folks like me wanted to know who said so. You know, facts. Then later on there was a reference cited. You see that, right? God you're thin skinned. Things eat at you much?

Apology for what? Asking why the title said one thing and the info available didn't mention a carry permit? You want an apology for being asked to support a written statement? I don't think so.

John

 

[rellascout]

Apology for what? Asking why the title said one thing and the info available didn't mention a carry permit? You want an apology for being asked to support a written statement? I don't think so.

Apology for questioning what I posted in a way which implied that what I posted was not true. You were sooooooo paranoid people would associate this guys actions with other CHP/CCW holders you felt the need to question the post not once but twice. Reality is he was a CHP holder just like I said he was. So I guess you can expect the anti onslaught... I guess its time to circle the wagons. LOL

Not thin skinned at all just don't like being questioned by someone who was ignorant of the facts when I knew them.

 

[rellascout]

Again not that it matters if he was a CHP holder or not. As I states several times in a shall issue state like VA where you take a one hour course without any live firing the permit is a formality.

Now that you know the guy had a CHP please explain to me how this has changed the events or what will happen afterwards....

 

[JohnBT]

"as if what I posted was not true"

It wasn't about you. It was about where the info about the carry permit came from. You didn't say at first. The only mention of it was in the title. That's all it was about. You still don't get it.

To the poster going on and on about how safe Glocks are. That was never my point. Did you read the part where I carry a Rohrbaugh everyday and it doesn't have an external safety either, but I use a holster? The point I was making was about Glock's heavy advertising of their Safe Action System and how it could possibly lull someone into a false sense of safety. Not everyone reads the owner's manual. Some never get past the advertising. This isn't complicated, deep thinking here, just an observation.

I re-read what I wrote before. I think somebody else also needs to because they missed the central meaning the first time through.

John

 

[HorseSoldier]

Permit or not doesn't make any difference. The vast majority of firearms accidents in this country involve law abiding gun owners whose conduct with the weapon, while possibly negligent in a civil sense, was not criminal even at the time of the accident.

 

[rellascout]

Permit or not doesn't make any difference. The vast majority of firearms accidents in this country involve law abiding gun owners whose conduct with the weapon, while possibly negligent in a civil sense, was not criminal even at the time of the accident.

I agree 100% which is why I thought JohnBTs questioning the original thread title a moot point but he for some reason took issue.

 

[JohnBT]

Sir, you've lost your mind if you think I was paranoid.

Did anyone question you after you posted that someone you knew closer to the action said that they heard that the guy had a permit? No, I just wanted to know where that info came from.

Paranoid. Jeez. Have a nice evening. Hope you get over whatever is eating at you.

John

 

[rellascout]

Other than for the sake of accuracy, I was looking at the story from the point of view of an anti making an argument against carry permits.

Where these not your words JohnBT?

The point I was making was about Glock's heavy advertising of their Safe Action System and how it could possibly lull someone into a false sense of safety. Not everyone reads the owner's manual. Some never get past the advertising. This isn't complicated, deep thinking here, just an observation.

Then the question becomes what can we do as the educated gun community to counter act this "lull" ?

 

[TexasRifleman]

OK lets abandon this line of discussion or the thread can't stay open. Please?

 

[Guns4Fun]

I took my 8 and 9 year olds out to the woods and demolished a pineapple with a 9mm. I let them hold the gun, pull the trigger (with me holding on too) and helped them to understand just exactly why they do not want to touch, mention, or even think about the handgun. The worst mistake IMO is to permit curiosity.

 

[rem22long40x]

Quote[Simple solution ... don't chamber a round in a carry gun.] A unloaded gun can in a cary situation can get you killed faster than a accidental discharge !!!!

 

[rem22long40x]

Quote [I took my 8 and 9 year olds out to the woods and demolished a pineapple with a 9mm. I let them hold the gun, pull the trigger (with me holding on too) and helped them to understand just exactly why they do not want to touch, mention, or even think about the handgun. The worst mistake IMO is to permit curiosity.] I totally agree . I grue up in a law enforcement house hold and if we asked to see a gun no mater what my dad was doing he would stop and we would go get the gun and check to see that it was unloaded together and he would let us look,handle and ask questions , so we had no reason to go behind his back a look at them with out permission or supervising. and we never did becouse we had no curiosity!!!!

 

[we are not amused]

Some years ago in the small town of Florence, Kansas, near where I live, they had a young town Marshall. He was a bit of a blow hard, and someone who definitely thought being a "cop", made him "cool". Many of us thought he was an idiot, but he didn't cause too much trouble, so he stayed on.
He liked guns, and in addition to his regular service revolver, he purchased a .44 Magnum revolver. Don't know the make or model, but this was in the late '70's. One fine evening, while on duty, and sitting in the patrol car with a friend, he was showing off his brand new revolver, which he carried stuck in his waistband, without a holster. When he went to put the gun back in the waistband of his pants, it discharged and he died almost immediately.
Moral of the story, "Stupid is as stupid does" and that there is a penalty for being stupid. I have seen idiots stick guns in the waistband of their pants, and all I can think of is, Is their life insurance paid up?
I sometimes carry a pocket pistol. I have a pocket holster to keep it in. I would never carry it in my pocket loaded without one, nor would I ever stick a loaded gun in the waistband of my pants. Even with an external "safety", it could be bumped or moved off "safe" due to the shifting of the gun, or it being pulled in or out of the clothing.
Think of it as "Evolution in action".

 

[gym]

There are many catgories of people. Some are very neat, others sloppy. that usually carrys on through their lives. Having nothing to do with just guns. I know people just like many of you who are very detailed to the point of being annoying, and have friends who are not so neat and tidy.Carrying this over to things that can kill you is not a big leap. It's almost impossible to get certain "types" of guys to care about things that they don't thing are a big deal. I don't know this fellow, but it's possible he was a freewheeling soul who didn't take things that seriouslly. So all the contemplation in the world won't tell us what he was or wasn't thinking that day. Only he knows what he did. He paid dearlly for his mistake, why not just leave it at that.

 

[jeepguy]

This concerns me for other reasons as well. A friend of mine just took a ccw class & came back talking about buying a s&w bodyguard. He said he liked it becuse it was a "pocket pistol & it had a laser." Now this pistol does have an external safty but its the mindset of new & inexperienced shooters with these small polymer pistols that concerns me. They seem to think you can just simply pocket cary them, which will some day get someone else seriously hurt or killed. Now you probably know i will do everyhting i can to get him to buy something better or at least get a holster for it.

 

[Onmilo]

I'm not sure how to read into the point of this post,

1. Carrying a Glock will get you killed
2. Glock .40s not only explode, they kill the owners.
3. Open carrying will cause you to accidently kill yourself.
4. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

My condolences to his family.

 

[huntsman]

This concerns me for other reasons as well. A friend of mine just took a ccw class & came back talking about buying a s&w bodyguard. He said he liked it becuse it was a "pocket pistol & it had a laser."

They seem to think you can just simply pocket cary them, which will some day get someone else seriously hurt or killed.

a 10lb trigger pull goes a long way to make a pocket pistol safer then a Glock, If the law allows carry without a holster and nothing else is carried in the gun pocket then.... a holster will go a long way to keeping a pocket pistol in the proper position but a holster is no substitute to good gun handling skills and practice.

 

[SSN Vet]

moral of the story.....

Get your leather together!

 

[SSN Vet]

I grue up in a law enforcement house hold and if we asked to see a gun no mater what my dad was doing he would stop and we would go get the gun and check to see that it was unloaded together and he would let us look,handle and ask questions

I had a similar experience at the kindergarten I attended. We were all taught what a handgun looked like and how they could be very dangerous. We were allowed to hold and handle a big black revolver and admonished that guns were not toys.

If we were lucky and had been good, the teacher would cut lengths of an old garden hose and nail it to little blocks of wood for us to play "cops and robbers" with on the playground.

We were taught the difference between a toy and the real thing.

 

[stonecutter2]

Other than not pulling the trigger, that's exactly right.

I don't remember seeing any Glock advertising that said if you pull the trigger the gun won't fire unless it's pointed at a bad guy. It's funny that here on THR we continually rail against the anti's for blaming the gun when bad thing happen yet some are perfectly willing to do it here in this case.

Man, this is so true. A gun is designed to fire when the trigger is pulled. Unfortunately this poor man wasn't diligent in safety, and tragedy resulted.

The gun wasn't defective, it did exactly what it was designed to do - fire when the trigger is pulled.

I feel badly for this man's wife and children. Returning a video, and they lose their husband/father. Really sad, and probably very preventable.

Once you're complacent with firearms...bad things can happen that you can't undo.