Editorial, St. Louis Post-Dispatch

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CONCEALED-WEAPONS LAW: Secret guns

03/21/2004


IF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S acting strange, and you wonder if he's licensed to carry a concealed gun, don't try to find out. It's secret.

If your daughter is dating a guy who gives you the creeps, and you wonder if he carries a pistol, forget about it. It's secret.

If the co-worker in the next cubicle has been mumbling under his breath about getting back at the boss, and you wonder if he's packing, stop wondering. It's a secret, compliments of the Missouri Legislature's concealed-weapons law.

One of the more absurd loopholes in a law full of loopholes is the sentence that says this: "Information regarding any holder of a certificate of qualification or a concealed carry endorsement is a closed record." Piling absurdity upon absurdity, the law makes it a crime for any person to release the information. So, even though it is not a criminal offense to carry a concealed gun into a church, stadium or school, it is a crime for a public official to disclose any information about a person's record with respect to concealed-carry rules.

Citizens or reporters who want to know the names of people whose gun permits were revoked for dangerous use, can't find out. In fact, the law is so broadly worded that the police report on a person who had to be removed from Busch Stadium because he had a gun probably would be closed.


Charles Davis, director of the Freedom of Information Center at the Mizzou Journalism School, says the law amounts to the "hobgoblin of privacy ... trampling the rights of society." He found that records on every other group licensed by the state - acupuncturists, funeral directors, barbers, police officers - are open. They are open to provide accountability, but that won't be possible with secret gun records.
Sen. Ken Jacob, D-Columbia, tried unsuccessfully this month to open the gun records. In an imaginative response, Sen. Harold Caskey, D-Butler, said robbers could check the records to target citizens who don't have guns. The idea of robbers performing records checks to pick their victims is fanciful indeed. It also contradicts last year's argument by pro-gun legislators who said secrecy was needed so that our record-checking robber wouldn't target for theft those people who have guns.

This spring, when the Legislature turns its attention to fixing problems with the concealed-weapons law, it needs to fix this foolishness. If people are going to carry concealed guns, they have to be publicly accountable.



Maybe we should ask for legislation requiring them to let us review their work before printing. How do we know they are qualified to make any statements like this. Have they had any training and permitting?
 
If you wondered if the creepy guy dating your daughter carries a pistol, and you found out he didn't have a CCW permit, would you breathe a sigh of relief and go about your business convinced that he must not be carrying a gun because he doesn't have a permit? :scrutiny:


Thing is, if you're on the Post-Dispatch editorial board, maybe you really would. They sure don't seem to have given any of this any thought, so why not?
Scary that people are this dumb. :eek:
 
Methinks they doth protest too much.

Newsroom banter...

"Let's scare some more sheep... we need an editorial about... oh, say... hidden guns. NO, WAIT. Call it "Secret Guns". Yeah, "Secret guns", throw in some mindless worries about disgruntled coworkers or muttering neighbors, but DO NOT, under any circumstances, write anything about background checks. Use phrases like, "absurd loopholes" (hey, use loopholes a couple of times, its a good buzzword) and "piling absurdity upon absurdity", hobgoblin of privacy (how dare they think that their privacy is more important than the publics need to know)... find someone to quote and see if you can get him to utter...""the rights of society".... in the proper context of course.
Finally, make sure that you poo-poo the idea of robbers actually targeting these losers for taking their little precious."

"Hey Boss, should I call them Weapons of Mass Destruction?"

"Not yet. We'll save that one for next September."
 
Here`s a letter I just sent in response:

In your Mar. 21st. editorial, Secret Guns, Charles Davis, director of the Freedom of Information Center at Mizzou stated that records of every other group licensed by the state are open, to provide accountability. In the case of the CCW law, accountability will come should a citizen have to use their concealed weapon in self defense.

I don`t recall ever seeing long lists containing the names, addresses and telephone numbers of licensed acupuncturists, funeral directors, barbers or police oficers published in the local newspaper. While the idea of robbers performing record checks in order to select potential victims may seem fanciful, what is not fanciful is seeing the personal information of law abiding CCW licensees published for all to see as has happened in states where the records are open. This has, in fact, already happened when a Kansas City television station, recently showed the applications of Missourians that had applied for concealed carry permits from Pennsylvania.

This is one aspect of the law the legislature should leave alone.
 
The Post Disgrace is as loony liberal as they come.

The fact that the creepy boyfriend can NOT have a permit and STILL be carrying a gun illegally does indeed escape the tiny little mind of a typical PD reader.
 
Waste of time

Siegfried_Geringer you are 100% right. That was by far the biggest waste of time I have ever seen. It made me so mad I had to walk around the office for while to try to cool down. I get so mad when liberals use words like "secret guns" or "hidden guns" they must think we are ashamed of our permits. If i didn't think it would put my family at risk I would gladly have my name published in the newspaper.

Mr Editor it is no secret, if you ask me if I have a carry permit I would be happy to tell you I have a one.
 
The part about how you shouldn't know if you should trust your neighbor, daughter's boyfriend, etc. was just sad. It's logically flawed wrt the motivations of criminals and what they worry about, and it's logically flawed wrt the trustworthiness of the individual -- the ccw holders will be the some of the most law-abiding of the state.

But when he came to trampling the "rights of society" I just laughted. I laughted out loud. I laughed so hard I had to stop reading.

Thanks, guys.
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