Emergency Declared After Anti-Nazi Riots
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El Rojo
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You said it yourself, you are not black America. You are American. So it is not your problem. However, there are plenty of black Americans who are black Americans who like to get their panties in an uproar when William Bennett says aborting black babies is impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible. That black America follows their leaders without fail and continues to be victims of society and they continue to riot and loot when ever they get a chance. Maybe someday they will just be plain old Americans, but right now, they continue to claim the title of "black America" and follow their "black leaders" down the continued path of slavery. So yeah, my statement stands, black America needs to pull their heads out. Has anyone heard Jesse, Louis, or Al denounce these riots and call for their people to act like responsible adults? Of course not.
Master Blaster
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And when did the Jews riot or march or herd millions of Christians and Muslums into camps and exterminate them, I must have missed it while I was in Hebrew school?????
I know they fed Christians to the Lions in the colusseum, and then they burned them at the stake during the Inquisition, Oh wait that was Romans and Good Catholics who did that, and Nazis, none of whom were Jewish.
But hey whats a good Nazi thread without a pointless attack on Jews everywhere.
Beren
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If any of the "Nazis" who tried to march had anything to do with the Holocust, please let Israel know so they can make arrangements. Otherwise, targeting them for murder based solely on their political affiliation is contrary to the principles of this country. I wouldn't walk across the street to pee on a Nazi wannabe if he or she were on fire, but I wouldn't go out of my way to keep one from talking, either.
I'd ignore them and go on my way.
Being free to peacefully assemble and express political views, regardless of how repugnant they are, are liberties guarenteed to all Americans.
I'd ignore them and go on my way.
Being free to peacefully assemble and express political views, regardless of how repugnant they are, are liberties guarenteed to all Americans.
CAS700850
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Once upon a time, the Klan wanted to demonstrate here in my work community. Law enforcement set up for riot conditions. Snipers on the rooftops. Ready for hundreds of counter-protesters.
About 50 Klan types and another 20 or so skin-heads showed up. About 10 or 15 people showed up otherwise. Turns out a professor at the nearby community college spread the word that the best way to address the idiots was to not address the idiots, and people actually listened. Rally was over in about an hour (though it was scheduled for three). Never came back.
If you ignore them, they get bored and go away. They want the attention. they want the violence. They want the confrontation, the riots, etc. It's free publicity.
About 50 Klan types and another 20 or so skin-heads showed up. About 10 or 15 people showed up otherwise. Turns out a professor at the nearby community college spread the word that the best way to address the idiots was to not address the idiots, and people actually listened. Rally was over in about an hour (though it was scheduled for three). Never came back.
If you ignore them, they get bored and go away. They want the attention. they want the violence. They want the confrontation, the riots, etc. It's free publicity.
Kjervin
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El Rojo,
I believe the point that he was trying to make was that those rioters are no more representative of "Black America" then the Nazis are of "White America". The so called "Black Leaders" are not followed by the majority of black people and have credibility only because lazy media producers call them by default to get the "Black Prospective" instead of doing actual polling or even talking to black elected officials (liberal and conservative) or just the man on the street. Remember after the Presidents speech when ABC news went to some black people outside the Superdome (or astrodome or somethingdome) and they got surprised when they said positive things about the President, blamed Mayor Nagin and took responsibility for not getting out of NO sooner? Not blindly following the "Black Leaders" huh? But guess what? the media almost never talks to middle class black people at all, just the usual suspects (so called "Black Leaders") and hoodrats. They are selected for being controversial not for being representative. Are we also to believe that the shirtless trailer dwellers on COPS are "White America" and Ted Kennedy and David Dukes "White Leaders"?
Kj
I believe the point that he was trying to make was that those rioters are no more representative of "Black America" then the Nazis are of "White America". The so called "Black Leaders" are not followed by the majority of black people and have credibility only because lazy media producers call them by default to get the "Black Prospective" instead of doing actual polling or even talking to black elected officials (liberal and conservative) or just the man on the street. Remember after the Presidents speech when ABC news went to some black people outside the Superdome (or astrodome or somethingdome) and they got surprised when they said positive things about the President, blamed Mayor Nagin and took responsibility for not getting out of NO sooner? Not blindly following the "Black Leaders" huh? But guess what? the media almost never talks to middle class black people at all, just the usual suspects (so called "Black Leaders") and hoodrats. They are selected for being controversial not for being representative. Are we also to believe that the shirtless trailer dwellers on COPS are "White America" and Ted Kennedy and David Dukes "White Leaders"?
Kj
svtruth
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Kkk
When I was a freshman at Kenyon college (1965-66) in central Ohio another frosh, a local guy, was moderately pro KKK because of their opposition to the Catholic church influencing the public schools.
Anyway he said Klu Klux Klan was based on the sound of a round being chambered in a rifle. Don't know if he meant pump or lever gun.
Or if it is even possible or even true.
Any ideas?
When I was a freshman at Kenyon college (1965-66) in central Ohio another frosh, a local guy, was moderately pro KKK because of their opposition to the Catholic church influencing the public schools.
Anyway he said Klu Klux Klan was based on the sound of a round being chambered in a rifle. Don't know if he meant pump or lever gun.
Or if it is even possible or even true.
Any ideas?
El Rojo
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That is a good way to look at it I suppose. However, I still don't know if I buy into this black America isn't all listening and following the leaders I mistakenly thought were leaders. Race is a strong bond within the black community. Just last week we were looking at the William Bennett comments in my class and a few black students just couldn't accept anything other than what he said was wrong. Then again, there were a few who seemed to get it.
I guess what I am looking for is another Martin Luther to come and take control of this mess and lead his people to freedom, not more of the same.
Hey Cosmoline, the dry-cleaners called, your Brown Shirt is ready. The SA has made you an honorary member. They applaud your deep understanding of the need for citizens to take action against undersirables. They only disagree with you over who the 'undesirables' are.
According to lots of Arab sources, Jews have done much the same to the innocent Muslims of the world (including the always popular blood libel). And, sadly, there are millions of Arabs who believe it.
All of this is bogus. From a constitutional perspective, there isn't ANY freedom that is absolute. Denying these skinheaded, swastika wearing, dirtbags the freedom of pubic assembly is well within the confines of the first amendment. If they want to sit around and heil hitler within the confines of their basements then fine, just don't do it on mainstreet usa.
I'm all for free speech, stupid speech, hateful speech and just about any speech that the constitution allows. However, my granddad didn't kick ass at normandy some 60 years ago just so some snotty ACLU attorney can give a wannabe adolf his 15 minutes of fame.
I'm all for free speech, stupid speech, hateful speech and just about any speech that the constitution allows. However, my granddad didn't kick ass at normandy some 60 years ago just so some snotty ACLU attorney can give a wannabe adolf his 15 minutes of fame.
Powderman
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STAGE 2 said:
On the contrary--
that is EXACTLY why your grandfather went to Normandy. That's why Americans have fought, bled and died over the years--so that ANYONE within the borders of our Nation can freely speak their mind, and speak their view--freely, without fear and without hesitation.
Is Naziism desireable? Absolutely not! Is racism the way to go? No, no, a thousand times, NO!
But our forefathers had the presence of mind to try to ensure that people had the freedom to speak freely. As Americans, we must respect that right. We must uphold that right--or we become no better then the hatemongers are.
QuickDraw
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"I hate them worse than antis, worse than Californians, worse than poison. THEY MUST DIE."
Crimanny!!
Don't shoot,I'm one of the good guys!
I'm guilty for the state I live in?!
Blind hatred is never a good thing.
QuickDraw
Crimanny!!
Don't shoot,I'm one of the good guys!
I'm guilty for the state I live in?!
Blind hatred is never a good thing.
QuickDraw
Ryder
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A lot less of them are going to die if they don't flush me out.
Saw TV news on this tonight. Security video of a store. People rushing in through the front door to loot it. Looked the dam busted. Never saw such an insane flood of people in my life! Definately 40 round mag material.
They also interviewed the person who all of this started over. Seems he has a dispute with his neighbor about a fence. Guy was sitting on his front porch and claimed to have nothing to do with the nazis. He isn't worried either. Reporter asked why not and he just reached inside his coat, appearing to grab a pistol grip and said I have something right here. Reporter asked "whatcha got in there". Haha, guy says "A 357 magnum and it's loaded for bear".
Gee, I wonder why they aren't messing around with him?
confed sailor
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Just a Nagant revolver for elephants? You sir are braver than I.
Cosmo, thank god you are in alaska.
And as we have made our point before, The ideology of the NASDAP is abhorrent, BUT even nuts have the right to free speach. I personally used to feel like Cosmo, elimination of enemies of the "Der Stadt" and such, but when i stopped and thought; unkinked my logic processes, and thought about my beliefs, it sank in, I was no better than they. In my self-rightous blinders I had allowed myself to sink to their level; rendering my opinions as constitutionally worthless as theirs. They have a right, a first amendment right, to voice their opinion, if you dont like it voice your own, this is a Republic after all.
Chief Justice Oliver W. Holmes of the SCUSA once said that a shout of fire in a crowded theater is not free speech. This enters a murky world of what is free-speech and what is sedition. and only cool collected consideration of the situation will keep us from straying into a censureship of our own. When the Neo-Nazi's take up arms against my constitution, the one I swore a most solemn oath to protect and defend, then its open season. Till then, let them march about and show us just how silly they are, as our jackbooted countrymen trivalize themselves.
longeyes
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There was no march, what there was an excuse for general mayhem by people who live off violence. There are an estimated million gang members in America today. Result: you can expect more "Nazis," especially if we continue to get apologists for inexcusable behavior. Thugs beget thugs. Supposedly this was a mixed neighborhood--who gave a pack of black hoodlums total say over when goes down in the neighborhood? Tribal dictatorship--is that the coming rule in Toledo? And what's the real story about whites being harassed there? Anyone care?
I hear the politicos are offering a "listening session." How sweet. Scant consolation for the terrorized.
I hear the politicos are offering a "listening session." How sweet. Scant consolation for the terrorized.
Powderman said:
No dice. There is a limit to freely speak one's mind. You cant encourage treason or give aid and comfort to our enemies. Nazi's were at one time, and still should be considered, the enemies of America. As such, they should not be afforded any protections under the constitution. If these social rejects want to reform under a different name and spout the same innane drivel fine. However it's not constitutionally beyond the power of local officials to deny demonstration permits to any organization with the word Nazi in it.
Am I picking at nits... well sort of. But this is an issue worth picking at. I can guarantee you that if a bunch of American born Muslims got together and formed the "American Al-quaeda Party" and wanted to march whereever you wouldn't believe the social pressure to deny them any first amendment rights.
The only difference between that situation and what happened in Ohio is that people have become desensitized by the passage of time. In the eyes of todays generation, an arab terrorist who flys planes into buildings is much more dangerous than the guys who Indiana Jones is constantly fighting.
Evil is evil and it doesn't have any place within this country whether it wears knee high boots and an iron cross or an Ak and a head scarf.
longeyes
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I hate to break the news, but a whole lot of people "out there" think that those of us on this forum, because we believe in gun ownership, are "Nazis."
Oh come on fellas, what's not to love about the Kukoo Klutz Klan? I mean, they've got those catchy rhymes that they use to entice and indoctrinate the junior high drop outs and other white members of higher society...
KKK - all the way
Save our land, join the Klan
It's like Mother Goose for the under-educated!
It's true, I was BORN in the South, but I went to college (twice) so I'm definitely NOT "Confederate by birth", and the South will most definitely NOT "rise again".
KKK - all the way
Save our land, join the Klan
It's like Mother Goose for the under-educated!
It's true, I was BORN in the South, but I went to college (twice) so I'm definitely NOT "Confederate by birth", and the South will most definitely NOT "rise again".
Cosmoline
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QuickDraw said:
I grew up in Oregon. 'Nuff said
Yes, it's probably for the best. I'm no longer entirely civilized. I lived for two years with no plumbing at all and weekly baths. For some odd reasons all my relatives stopped visiting me.
They agree with me that they need to die? Excellent!
Phyphor
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So am I!QuickDraw said:
Yer damned right, my brother!
Unbelievable! I might expect this from a 12 year old, but not an adult (especially a gun owner). Just what the anti's need to hear. One man talking out of his backside, without thinking about what he is saying, making all responsible American gun owners look like insane murdering lunatics. i just wanted to throw up after reading these posts:
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If I ever see a neo nazi parade, I'll be hard pressed to avoid getting out my best Mosin, securing a rooftop and blowing their faces through the backs of their heads. Laws aside, nazis have no right to breath air and should be killed on sight. Just because the government can't do it doesn't mean it's not the citizen's obligation.
If they ever start taking place up here, it's very likely that the time will have come to take up arms and start making cocktails to greet them. Even if the majority of the people supported the white pride yinyangs, I would still oppose them with every lethal tool and device I could create, killing as many of them as possible.
I would be killing them for being nazis marching in my neighborhood. In my world, that carries the death sentence. Nazis by their nature are a threat to me personally. In a large marching group they are a threat to everything I hold dear. It would be my responsibility not merely to stop them but to slaughter them. And it would be the best day's work I'd ever done.
Obviously that's what the law says. I'm not arguing that point. I would not be interested in a medal, I'd be interesting in killing nazi pigs. There comes a time when you must set aside the law and societal norms and just kill nazis.
The idiots on the DU have no reason to fear my firearms unless they are nazis parading on my streets. Then I reserve the right to kill them. Nazis do not deserve my consideration or tolerance. They must die. Nazis should fear me, because I want to kill them and have the power to do so. To alleviate the situation they need to stop being nazis. If they refuse to do that they need to stay away from me if they want to live. One of the basic reasons I keep firearms is to ensure that nazis will never come to power here. I think that's a perfectly acceptable reason for keeping them.
Post a reply if you like, but i won't be able to read it, as you are now one of only two ppl on my ingore list. This is supposed to be the "High Road", where "good, upstanding, and responsible" people read and post. I find it hard to believe the Mods let this go on and on like it did.
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If I ever see a neo nazi parade, I'll be hard pressed to avoid getting out my best Mosin, securing a rooftop and blowing their faces through the backs of their heads. Laws aside, nazis have no right to breath air and should be killed on sight. Just because the government can't do it doesn't mean it's not the citizen's obligation.
If they ever start taking place up here, it's very likely that the time will have come to take up arms and start making cocktails to greet them. Even if the majority of the people supported the white pride yinyangs, I would still oppose them with every lethal tool and device I could create, killing as many of them as possible.
I would be killing them for being nazis marching in my neighborhood. In my world, that carries the death sentence. Nazis by their nature are a threat to me personally. In a large marching group they are a threat to everything I hold dear. It would be my responsibility not merely to stop them but to slaughter them. And it would be the best day's work I'd ever done.
Obviously that's what the law says. I'm not arguing that point. I would not be interested in a medal, I'd be interesting in killing nazi pigs. There comes a time when you must set aside the law and societal norms and just kill nazis.
The idiots on the DU have no reason to fear my firearms unless they are nazis parading on my streets. Then I reserve the right to kill them. Nazis do not deserve my consideration or tolerance. They must die. Nazis should fear me, because I want to kill them and have the power to do so. To alleviate the situation they need to stop being nazis. If they refuse to do that they need to stay away from me if they want to live. One of the basic reasons I keep firearms is to ensure that nazis will never come to power here. I think that's a perfectly acceptable reason for keeping them.
Post a reply if you like, but i won't be able to read it, as you are now one of only two ppl on my ingore list. This is supposed to be the "High Road", where "good, upstanding, and responsible" people read and post. I find it hard to believe the Mods let this go on and on like it did.
Art Eatman
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Best thing to do with the Nazis and the Klan is to let them march. Let them prove by their own actions and words just how foolish and immature they really are. And think how spooky it would be to do your march if there were not a sound from anybody along the way...
"I'm a fat old southern sheriff,
and my wife says I'm impotent;
and I've got to where I just don't give a dam.
But I feel so high and mighty,
in my pointed cap and nighty;
I'm so glad I got the chance to join the Klan.
Chorus:
Join the Klan, join the Klan,
It's a new and easy way to be a ma-haa-han;
Whaddaya say, join the KKK."
(Mike Williams, I think. Folksinger. Ca 1968-ish.)
Remember one idea if you ever see a Klan march: Do as I did in 1959 in Tallahasse, Florida, calling out as all ten of the cretins marched past, "Hey! Look at the form-fitting hats!"
Nazis? Google up the words to Charlie Chaplin's "In The Fuhrer's Face". (Dunno the exact, real title.) It involves a loud "Braaack!" sound, tongue sticking out a bit, blowing under it...
, Art
"I'm a fat old southern sheriff,
and my wife says I'm impotent;
and I've got to where I just don't give a dam.
But I feel so high and mighty,
in my pointed cap and nighty;
I'm so glad I got the chance to join the Klan.
Chorus:
Join the Klan, join the Klan,
It's a new and easy way to be a ma-haa-han;
Whaddaya say, join the KKK."
(Mike Williams, I think. Folksinger. Ca 1968-ish.)
Remember one idea if you ever see a Klan march: Do as I did in 1959 in Tallahasse, Florida, calling out as all ten of the cretins marched past, "Hey! Look at the form-fitting hats!"
Nazis? Google up the words to Charlie Chaplin's "In The Fuhrer's Face". (Dunno the exact, real title.) It involves a loud "Braaack!" sound, tongue sticking out a bit, blowing under it...
, ArtCosmoline
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I'm sure you're right, Art. I just need to get out of town if they ever do.
As it stands now, they're around here but there aren't many of them and they keep a low profile. As long as that's the way it stands I'll live and let live.
As it stands now, they're around here but there aren't many of them and they keep a low profile. As long as that's the way it stands I'll live and let live.
This post is in no way intended to justify anyone's actions. It is intended to inject more facts into the discussion. I'll add links for the quotes after work.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1221169
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051006/NEWS16/510060396
XLMiguel
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Racists are mostsly cowards -
Amurrican Nazis are a bunch of strange ducks. When I was living in Chicago in the mid-70's a bunch of them wanted to bring their message of 'white power' to Skokie (a Chicago suburb on teh north side). They even went to court to get a court order to let them march. Never mind that Skokie is a white, predominently Jewish neighborhood with a lot of Holocost survivors. It seemed to me that if they really wanted to be pushing a message of 'white power', they should have been marching on the south side of Chicago ("the baddest part of town"), say 63rd & Cottage Grove, to elucidate the Black P-Stone Rangers (who, no doubt, would have been picking their teeth with the Nazi's bones following the march).
When I was in college (late 60's), I had the opportunity to witness a Klan rally in NC. There were a couple dozen guys (at lkeast I think they were guys)in a big field in white robes and funny hats hanging around a burning cross made from what appeared to be a couple of old phone poles soaked in gasoine. They were spewing a bunch of racist gibberish and non-sequitors with bullhorns to an audience of a couple hundred drunk college kids, who weren't buying any of it. Fortunatesly, the NC state police were there to keep them apart, and the Kluxers had to be escourted off the field - they were terrified of the college kids. Very weird evening.
All in all, I figure anyone who has to tear someone else down in order to build themselves up is pretty sorry. All of the 'white 'supremecists' I've ever encountered have made me embarrassed to be a white guy, as they've all been very marginal examples of the human race, let alone prime examples of caucasoid hominids. But in this case, the 'gangs' sure played into the Nazis' agenda :banghead: :banghead:
Amurrican Nazis are a bunch of strange ducks. When I was living in Chicago in the mid-70's a bunch of them wanted to bring their message of 'white power' to Skokie (a Chicago suburb on teh north side). They even went to court to get a court order to let them march. Never mind that Skokie is a white, predominently Jewish neighborhood with a lot of Holocost survivors. It seemed to me that if they really wanted to be pushing a message of 'white power', they should have been marching on the south side of Chicago ("the baddest part of town"), say 63rd & Cottage Grove, to elucidate the Black P-Stone Rangers (who, no doubt, would have been picking their teeth with the Nazi's bones following the march).
When I was in college (late 60's), I had the opportunity to witness a Klan rally in NC. There were a couple dozen guys (at lkeast I think they were guys)in a big field in white robes and funny hats hanging around a burning cross made from what appeared to be a couple of old phone poles soaked in gasoine. They were spewing a bunch of racist gibberish and non-sequitors with bullhorns to an audience of a couple hundred drunk college kids, who weren't buying any of it. Fortunatesly, the NC state police were there to keep them apart, and the Kluxers had to be escourted off the field - they were terrified of the college kids. Very weird evening.
All in all, I figure anyone who has to tear someone else down in order to build themselves up is pretty sorry. All of the 'white 'supremecists' I've ever encountered have made me embarrassed to be a white guy, as they've all been very marginal examples of the human race, let alone prime examples of caucasoid hominids. But in this case, the 'gangs' sure played into the Nazis' agenda :banghead: :banghead:
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