civilian75
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Summary
Need help finding an accurate load for 45ACP. In this thread I want to focus on metering, but keeping in perspective the ultimate goal: accuracy. In this thread, my goal is:
- Develop a good working metering definition for “excellent” v. “ok” v. “crappy”
- Find what is the best metering powder for 45ACP that will, in order of priority:
o yield excellent accuracy;
o be reliable,
o clean,
o cost effective, and
o accessible
Background: this is the boring part about myself and where I come from. You are welcome to skip it. I have been reloading for just over 2 years. I started wwith rifle calibers (308Win, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, 223Rem, and 45-70). About 6 months ago, I took up my first handgun caliber, 357Magnum, and most recently, 45ACP. I never paid too much attention to metering. I always weighted all my loads. But now, for 45ACP, I see that the next step will soon be a progressive press. Metering now comes to the forefront.
Objective: I want to work up loads for medium loads for target practicing and a bit hotter for matches. I am not into matches, yet, but I expect to get involved before the end of this year. I am already involved in silhouette lever action rifle matches.
Platform: full size 1911 or a P220. I do not yet know much about match rules, etc, so I want to keep my options open. I own a milspec 1911 and this year I will buy another 45ACP, depending on the applicable match rules. But that is not the topic of this discussion. Emphasis is on full size, ~5in bbl, and probably a modern design auto-loader.
Bullets: right now I am working with Hornady 230gr HAP, but I am flexible. Yet, for the purpose of this discussion, let’s stick to 200-230gr copper jacketed bullets. I will probably load 200gr for target practice, and 230gr for matches, at least until I know better.
Powder measure: RCBS uniflow
Press: RCBS single stage
Metering success criteria: I can get data about a powder metering in either of two ways: aks your opinion, of buy a bunch of 1lb jugs and start metering. But, before I go off doing anything, I need to develop a success criteria. For starters, I will just ask for your opinion. This is what I think a good metering criteria could be, based on a 5.0gr nominal load:
- excellent: meters 5.0gr 90% of the time, 5% 4.9gr, and 5% 5.1
- ok: meters 5.0gr 80% of the time, +/- 0.1gr 15% of the time, and +/- 0.2gr 5% of the time
- mediocre: everything else.
What do I want to know from you:
1. Is this criteria sound? If not, what critera do you suggest?
2. Am I over rationalizing the metering issue? If yes, then, explain.
Best metering powders: This is short list of powders I’ve seen other people. This is what I would like you to do: first, rate the powder metering using the criteria above. If you do not agree with the criteria, provide the criteria you used. Second, rank the powders in terms of accuracy, staring with “1” as the most accurate and so on. Accuracy ranking must be relevant to the bullets I am targeting (read above). If you do not have experience with a powder, just skip it.
Powders:
Universal Clays
Bullseye
HS-6
W231
WST
Power Pistol
VV340
VV350
Titegroup
Post example #1:
Post example #2:
Post example #3:
In summary, let me know what you think about my metering assessing criteria and about the powders you have used for 45ACP reloading. Sorry for the long post.
Thanks
Civvy
Need help finding an accurate load for 45ACP. In this thread I want to focus on metering, but keeping in perspective the ultimate goal: accuracy. In this thread, my goal is:
- Develop a good working metering definition for “excellent” v. “ok” v. “crappy”
- Find what is the best metering powder for 45ACP that will, in order of priority:
o yield excellent accuracy;
o be reliable,
o clean,
o cost effective, and
o accessible
Background: this is the boring part about myself and where I come from. You are welcome to skip it. I have been reloading for just over 2 years. I started wwith rifle calibers (308Win, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, 223Rem, and 45-70). About 6 months ago, I took up my first handgun caliber, 357Magnum, and most recently, 45ACP. I never paid too much attention to metering. I always weighted all my loads. But now, for 45ACP, I see that the next step will soon be a progressive press. Metering now comes to the forefront.
Objective: I want to work up loads for medium loads for target practicing and a bit hotter for matches. I am not into matches, yet, but I expect to get involved before the end of this year. I am already involved in silhouette lever action rifle matches.
Platform: full size 1911 or a P220. I do not yet know much about match rules, etc, so I want to keep my options open. I own a milspec 1911 and this year I will buy another 45ACP, depending on the applicable match rules. But that is not the topic of this discussion. Emphasis is on full size, ~5in bbl, and probably a modern design auto-loader.
Bullets: right now I am working with Hornady 230gr HAP, but I am flexible. Yet, for the purpose of this discussion, let’s stick to 200-230gr copper jacketed bullets. I will probably load 200gr for target practice, and 230gr for matches, at least until I know better.
Powder measure: RCBS uniflow
Press: RCBS single stage
Metering success criteria: I can get data about a powder metering in either of two ways: aks your opinion, of buy a bunch of 1lb jugs and start metering. But, before I go off doing anything, I need to develop a success criteria. For starters, I will just ask for your opinion. This is what I think a good metering criteria could be, based on a 5.0gr nominal load:
- excellent: meters 5.0gr 90% of the time, 5% 4.9gr, and 5% 5.1
- ok: meters 5.0gr 80% of the time, +/- 0.1gr 15% of the time, and +/- 0.2gr 5% of the time
- mediocre: everything else.
What do I want to know from you:
1. Is this criteria sound? If not, what critera do you suggest?
2. Am I over rationalizing the metering issue? If yes, then, explain.
Best metering powders: This is short list of powders I’ve seen other people. This is what I would like you to do: first, rate the powder metering using the criteria above. If you do not agree with the criteria, provide the criteria you used. Second, rank the powders in terms of accuracy, staring with “1” as the most accurate and so on. Accuracy ranking must be relevant to the bullets I am targeting (read above). If you do not have experience with a powder, just skip it.
Powders:
Universal Clays
Bullseye
HS-6
W231
WST
Power Pistol
VV340
VV350
Titegroup
Post example #1:
I agree with your metering criteria.
Universal Clays: excellent, 3
Bullseye: excellent, 1
HS-6: ok, 2
W231
WST: ok, 4
Power Pistol
VV340
VV350
Titegroup: mediocre, 5
Post example #2:
You are over-rationalizing the metering issue!! Get a life.
Universal Clays: 3
Bullseye: 1
HS-6: 2
W231
WST: 4
Power Pistol
VV340
VV350
Titegroup: 5
Post example #3:
If you want accurate, keep weighting. Forget metering.
Universal Clays: 3
Bullseye: 1
HS-6: 2
W231
WST: 4
Power Pistol
VV340
VV350
Titegroup: 5
In summary, let me know what you think about my metering assessing criteria and about the powders you have used for 45ACP reloading. Sorry for the long post.
Thanks
Civvy
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