Expert says "Legal firearms have very little to do with the problems we have in NY.""

[Speedo66]

Article in the NY Times about a shooting in NYC where police determined 13 different guns were involved. In the article they wonder how much impact the new permit decision from the SC will have on crime in NYC.

Surprisingly, they asked an expert for his opinion, and actually published it. I have a feeling many staff members there weren't happy with the result.

From the article:
"There has been not been a rush of gun permit applications in the city since the Supreme Court ruling, largely because the State Legislature passed a new round of gun safety measures that are likely to blunt the ruling’s impact in New York. It is unclear what the effect of more legal guns within the city borders will be on crime. None, some experts say.

“It won’t have any direct impact, period, on the number of guns in New York City,” Warren Eller, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said. “Legal firearms have very little do with the problems we have in New York.”

Now if only the powers that be and the media would heed the experts, rather than scream the sky is falling.

Another professor, this time from UCLA, laments that with the new permits police will now not only have to determine if someone is carrying a gun, but if it's legal. Hasn't that always been their job in NYC?

Here's the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/09/nyregion/ny-guns-shootings.html

 

[CraigC]

.....police will now not only have to determine if someone is carrying a gun, but if it's legal. Hasn't that always been their job in NYC?

Yep, like cops in every other free state jurisdiction. When I was young and foolish, a friend and I got run out of an old clay pit where we were shooting. The deputy ran the serial number of every firearm we had.

 

[DustyGmt]

Article in the NY Times about a shooting in NYC where police determined 13 different guns were involved. In the article they wonder how much impact the new permit decision from the SC will have on crime in NYC.

Surprisingly, they asked an expert for his opinion, and actually published it. I have a feeling many staff members there weren't happy with the result.

From the article:
"There has been not been a rush of gun permit applications in the city since the Supreme Court ruling, largely because the State Legislature passed a new round of gun safety measures that are likely to blunt the ruling’s impact in New York. It is unclear what the effect of more legal guns within the city borders will be on crime. None, some experts say.

“It won’t have any direct impact, period, on the number of guns in New York City,” Warren Eller, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said. “Legal firearms have very little do with the problems we have in New York.”

Now if only the powers that be and the media would heed the experts, rather than scream the sky is falling.

Another professor, this time from UCLA, laments that with the new permits police will now not only have to determine if someone is carrying a gun, but if it's legal. Hasn't that always been their job in NYC?

Here's the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/09/nyregion/ny-guns-shootings.html

Just remember, deferring to "experts" on policy isn't always the best choice. Fauci is a "expert".

Not saying I disagree with the professor, but going along with the "experts" is a slippery slope.......

 

[lionking]

We pro 2nd amendment tend to try to inform those the facts and truth of the 2nd, whenever someone says "but it was for militias only" or whatnot we bring out data, facts and such to try to inform. What has become clear to me you are wasting your time doing that because THEY ALREADY KNOW the facts of the 2nd and just don't like it. Now there may be younger Americans ignorant about it because the education system has been indoctrinating, but the leftist activists and politicians know the facts, they know that banning guns won't solve most the issues, they know the concealed carry holder is usually the good guy, they know NRA members are not the ones shooting up Chicago and malls.

Every Soros funded politician that wins office has led to the rampant crime that we are seeing now and it is intentional. In NYC recently a clerk at a Bodega store was assaulted by a known thug, so he stabbed him in self defense. The clerk was arrested, thrown in jail and a extreme bail amount was placed. Meanwhile the same funded by Soros NYC politicians have been releasing criminals and lowering bail standards for the criminals. The message is clear from them, criminals get a pass and if you try to defend yourself from them they will throw you in jail.

The last couple years all that we have seen, all that we are seeing, from gun rights to education to whatever topic in leftist areas, everything going wrong, everything going bad, it is intentional. Most of us pay little attention to local elections , but now we must because it starts with the local grassroots and up, every school board, every local DA and mayor, it matters, and the opposition knows this and is why they have gotten a beachhead or foothold.

 

[jmorris]

Well, I guess we know who they are going to ignore and not to talk to anymore.

 

[I6turbo]

The last couple years all that we have seen, all that we are seeing, from gun rights to education to whatever topic in leftist areas, everything going wrong, everything going bad, it is intentional.

Yes, the destruction that they are bringing about on America IS INTENTIONAL. INTENTIONAL, and part of their stated plan.

This is the infuriating part for me. So many Conservatives including the thought leaders and pundits sit around like dumbF##ks and say:
"Don't they know this won't work?"
"Don't they see that this will be a disaster??"
"Haven't they learned anything from their past disasters???"
"Don't they realize they were wrong about what they believed in the past???"
"Can't they see that most Americans don't support this???"
"Can't they see that their plan has failed every time in human history it's been tried???"

Of course THEY see it (and I'm talking about the ones actually driving what's happening, not the so-called useful-idiot citizens). The "failure" is a FEATURE, not a bug, as they say. The destruction is intentional. They point blank state that it's intentional. THEY are not that stupid. WE are.

 

[Hal]

Just remember, deferring to "experts" on policy isn't always the best choice. Fauci is a "expert".

Not saying I disagree with the professor, but going along with the "experts" is a slippery slope....

As my late friend, Dan was fond of saying, "An Ex is a has-been and a Spert is a drip under pressure".

 

[John_R]

Perhaps they published this because they know they control the playing field and believe the truth can’t hurt them.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Soros has a history of destroying national systems for his profit.
America is just one more... .

 

[Seedy Character]

They KNOW
They don't care
All part of the Grand Plan, CONTROL

 

[JERRY]

If legal firearms have little to do with it why is the ATF ready to enforce their new rule against the AR15 pistol brace?

 

[GEM]

This is an interesting article on why prison for nonviolent gun offenses (such as carrying only) is counterproductive. The idea that folks need to defend themselves and then are imprisoned is clearly as was done by defense attorneys for the poor/minority populations: https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/48...uczS7_fOJ8YYr2lak1NQVn7HplaTdYyMk1xVR3_G7Se3a.

RETHINKING PRISON FOR NON-VIOLENT GUN POSSESSION
Author(s): Robert Weiss
Source:
The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology (1973-) , 2022, Vol. 112, No. 3 (2022),
pp. 665-689
Published by: Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law
Stable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable

It's a shame NYS Democrats don't pay attention when they decided to negate NYSRPA by making almost all carry situations for licensed folks into felonies. The law is basically an attack on a totem of the right as compared to a solution to gun violence.

But wait, the flaw in the NYSPRA decision was just a brilliant move to generate years more of litigation until carry is truly protected. Yes, indeed!

 

[Aim1]

 

[Speedo66]

Every Soros funded politician that wins office has led to the rampant crime that we are seeing now and it is intentional. In NYC recently a clerk at a Bodega store was assaulted by a known thug, so he stabbed him in self defense. The clerk was arrested, thrown in jail and a extreme bail amount was placed. Meanwhile the same funded by Soros NYC politicians have been releasing criminals and lowering bail standards for the criminals. The message is clear from them, criminals get a pass and if you try to defend yourself from them they will throw you in jail.

NYC Mayor Adams, former police captain, had a conversation with the Manhattan DA, and the bail was dropped from $500K to $50K.