Footage of 3-year-old with handgun on Today show

[2nd Amendment]

OK,JD, once again I swapped people to whom I was replying so:

2nd Amendment,



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...Regardless, I haven't argued a point of law, I have argued against the acceptance of this kind of meddling.---2nd Amendment
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Then what did you mean by:


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It was absolutely none of the neighbor's business and the cretin had no right to film anything on someone elses property.---2nd Amendment
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If you meant morale "right" as opposed to legal "right" then that's just your opinion, so don't film your neighbors.

Both the moral question as well as the slippery-slope aspect. At what point do we cease to encourage snooping? That is a developing plank of the "security at all costs" people, who want you to spy on your neighbors, your children to spy on you, the feds to spy on everybody... Where do we draw the line and if not early on then we all know how hard it is to stop something, or roll it back, once it has a good head of steam.

As for the legal, that wasn't my main point or interest but, as I have said, someone doesn't have to nail you on privacy grounds. There's lots of other ways to go after someone determined to make a nuisance of themselves.


Some would think that it is a duty to act on a child's behalf, to ensure the child's safety. It is much more responsible then advocating the child's possible death through in action. as you do in the quote below.


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Just Darwin in action, next story please. That's cold but it is also very true.---2nd Amendment
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It does not take a village. Far better that someone occasionally screw up than that we open the floodgates for broad meddling. We're all here and healthy without that kind of inter-dependent crap. Now, you disagree with where I draw the line? OK, then where do you draw it? If it is further along the slope then it's going to be even tougher to justify, let alone enforce. If you don't draw any lines then I freely admit we're just not going to be able to communicate.


Which, when you think about it, is exactaly what the neighbor did by not acting immedaitly when the child picked up the hand gun.

I guess you and the "cretin" have at least a little in common.

Nope. I was not nor do I advocate spying but, having done it, it says even more offensive things about this person's character that she stood there and made her little movie in hopes of destroying these people and/or getting her "15 minutes" rather than ACT to possibly save someone. That's as disgusting as her pre-occupation with these people's lives.



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...I assure you I would spend pretty much everything turning this neighbors life into something less than pleasant. ---2nd Amendment
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Isn't that what the "cretin" was doing to it's neighbors?

How so? One is a response to harrassment, the other is the harrassment itself. So, if someone is taping your life how long would you put up with it before speaking to that person? Before pursuing other actions? These people weren't talking, you say? And where is your evidence, let alone proof, that this very act on the part of the spy is not exactly what created the stand-offish situation in the first place?


Hummmm, 2nd Amendment, did you send that video in?


Respectfully,

jdkelly

You were doing good till that last line.

 

[hso]

Gunsnrovers,

The child is the product of the gentics of the parents therefore he almost certainly carries the "Stupid Gene", whether recessive or dominant I don't know.

I'm assuming the parents have no other progeny and that they will not reproduce further ending the genetic line there.

'Course, I like your idea just as well.

 

[jdkelly]

It was absolutely none of the neighbor's business and the cretin had no right to film anything on someone elses property.---2nd Amendment

The point I was making was the "creatin" didn't do anything illegal by filming it's neighbors. Some, such as yourself would find that distasteful, while others would cheer.

I won't argue either side myself.


Now, you disagree with where I draw the line? OK, then where do you draw it?---2nd Amendment

I usually let the law(s) decide where the line should be. I may not always like it, but the effort it takes to do wrong to others is to great. It would likely also hurt my image of myself.


The last points I made, that is the similarities between your views/actions and the "cretin's",ie:

1) the "cretin" leaving without helping the child and your Darwin comment
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2) the "cretin" causing it's neighbor so much anguish and your threat to do the same to your's---

Were little more then just somewhat tongue in cheek.

As for not being able to communicate, well may(be) not on these points, but there is always GUNS.


Respectfully

jdkelly

 

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As gun owners, we should really inflict harsher penalties and request harsher penalties when parents neglect firearms in places where untrained children might inadvertantly hurt themselves or others; as well as "drinking on the gun" as I call it.

Booze + Firearm = NEVER SHOULD HAPPEN

3 year old + firearm = NEVER SHOULD HAPPEN

I don't blame the neighbor for videotaping something that should NEVER HAPPEN.

and they are lucky I'm not on that jury.. because I'd throw the book and the kitchen sink at them.

Not only are they a poor reflection on parenting in general, they are a poor reflection on gunowners, and I resent that as one..

What we need to do, is speak badly about such happenings so we don't appear to be "supporting such behavior"... Which we shouldn't be supporting anyways.

If you can't handle the responsibilities of firearm ownership by not drinking while shooting, then DON'T OWN ONE. If you can't handle the responsibilities of raising a child, THEN CLOSE YOUR LEGS.

''nuff said.