Forget an AWB...what if they get smart?

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I woke up this morning with a horrible thought. Everyone please hear me out and then tell me why it will never happen so I can sleep soundly again tonight.

Suppose, for a minute, that Feinstein and McCarthy and Schumer stopped worrying about shoulder things that go up and clip capacity? We talk a lot about the 300-odd million guns in circulation here and why they could never be confiscated. So what if they weren't confiscated, they were bought by the government in a completely voluntary sales system?

Here is my nightmare scenario:

a) In the wake of a shooting like Newton, government says"we're not going to ban anything, but Freedom Group, etc, you can't manufacture any more semiautomatic rifles of caliber bigger than 22LR." Make all the shotguns and bolt actions and lever guns and 22 plinking handguns you want, but no more AR's or AK47's or Glocks." And along the way, firearm imports to the US are eliminated by Presidential decree. The gun makers aren't automatically out of existence, they just have to retool.

b) Revoke all existing FFL's but offer a new form of FFL and background check where existing guns can be transferred upon more stringent checks including a mental stability note from a physician. Yeah, we'd scream, but they'd point out that you can still get firearms for protection and you can keep all you currently have, but for public protection we're imposing an additional test to buy them...similar to a driver's license." Neighborhood gun stores aren't out of business, they just have some extra paperwork.

c) Now, of those 300 million guns outstanding, let's say for the sake of argument, that there are roughly 50 million shotguns, 80 milliion bolt action or lever hunting rifles, and another 80 million 22 rifles and handguns. Feinstein et al don't care about those. They want the remaining 90 million semiautomatic weapons that include our Glocks and AR's and the CMP Garands. Say those 90 million guns are worth $1500 average apiece in current dollars. That, my friends, is only $135 billion dollars, chicken feed for the kind of money thrown by our government around the past few years. Heck, it hardly makes a dent in the deficit.

d) The coup de grace is a massive government VOLUNTARY buyback. The Feds buy every semiautomatic from every gun store in the US, every semiautomatic that goes up on Gunbroker and Auction Arms, every gun listed in a newspaper. The $135B doesn't even have to be spent all up front, maybe budget $100B the first year and then declining levels after that. Heck Bloomberg could almost fund it himself.

What's the average circulation time of a firearm? Ten years? Twenty years? In twenty years, most of the semiautomatics in civilian hands will be gone, except for the collections and the heirlooms passed to our certified mentally-stable heirs and the few back-room manufactured weapons that the diehards create a black market for and the smugglers. All done, as the historians like to point out, just like Lincoln should have done for the import-limited and regulated slave trade stead of fighting a war.
Yes, I'm aware that criminals will still have guns, but Bloomberg and Feinstein and their bodyguards don't care about that because even though the burglary and rape rates rise, the mass shooting's decrease. They'll allow you your 22 plinker for self defense and target practice and they'll allow (for now) your hog rifle and deer rifle and shotguns, so the 2nd Amendment is pretty moot unless we want to face its real intention.

Now, please tell me how Obama and Bloomberg can't get a large enough group of Democrats and Rhinos together to make this happen in the current political environment? Forget the NRA and it's power, it's DONE and over by the next election.....
 
So all we have to do to purchase is outbid what the government deems a fair price? It would just make the semi-autos more expensive. Sounds a lot like how the FA weapons are treated today.

Unless I missed something in there...
 
Yeah, Sport45, I know, but my pockets aren't as big as the governments are...especially since their hand is in my pocket at the same time.

And when a Glock 19 costs $10K, how many of us will still be buyin?
 
Circulation time for guns is way more than ten or twenty years. I still have guns made in the early 1900's and several from the 30's, 40's, and 50's that I shoot. These are not collector guns for the most part nor safe queens. They are shooters.

There is already a huge amount of guns in circulation even if they stopped manfacturing new guns. I doubt people will sell in nearly the volumes you describe. What price do you put on the ability to defend you and your family from harm?
 
I'm more worried about them trying to tax ammo and curtail internet sales. This wouldn't be nearly as difficult for them to initiate.
 
I still have guns made in the early 1900's and several from the 30's, 40's, and 50's

Yeah, I'm guessing, Pilot, but your point above is not the AVERAGE..how many times are most guns bought and sold before they hit an accumulator like you? Yes, I'm not selling now, but I had only one bolt action 22 ten years ago...and my "projected" lifespan is only about 25 more years and who knows how much I'll downsize before then as I get old and feeble (LOL)? There wouldnt be a number of people selling initially maybe, but widows, people with money needs, guys who sell rifles to buy another, etc would take a quick toll on the total numbers.
 
Agreed Itchy, but taxing ammo doesn't solve the problem, it just postpones it. They need to get the guns and keep the rest of us quiet in the meantime by keeping ammo costs low.:D
 
i think you guys are being way too paranoid about this... since the AWB expired the supreme court and court of appeals have been granting MANY victories to gun rights... the DC gun ban was lifted, chicago gun ban was lifted, court rules that the second amendment does in fact apply to individuals and not people registered in militia groups (by definition, a militia-man is any civilian willing to fight for his country)... and now chicago is being forced to offer concealed carry

so even with the politicians trying to pass legislation, the judicial branch seems to back gun owners even more than the NRA lately.. and i cant imagine theyd rule a no-conceal-carry law as unconstitutional, but allow a ban on semi automatics or a tax on ammunition to pass... this is just the media looking for something to hype and i doubt anything comes out of it as the american people will calm down and come to their senses before theres even a vote
 
Spending measures must originate in the House of Representatives. Do you see such a bill ever getting out of committee and onto the table?
 
With that massive a violation of the constitution I think you would be looking at a civil war prior to that plan making it that far
 
My neighbor has a bumper sticker I see in the mornings as we begin our commute: Honk if I'm Paying Your Mortgage Too. (I always honk to give him something to pop off about at the homeowners association meetings). I suppose under the OP's scenario, I could get one: Honk if I'm Paying For Your AR-15 Too.
 
i think you guys are being way too paranoid about this... since the AWB expired the supreme court and court of appeals have been granting MANY victories to gun rights... the DC gun ban was lifted, chicago gun ban was lifted, court rules that the second amendment does in fact apply to individuals and not people registered in militia groups (by definition, a militia-man is any civilian willing to fight for his country)... and now chicago is being forced to offer concealed carry

so even with the politicians trying to pass legislation, the judicial branch seems to back gun owners even more than the NRA lately.. and i cant imagine theyd rule a no-conceal-carry law as unconstitutional, but allow a ban on semi automatics or a tax on ammunition to pass... this is just the media looking for something to hype and i doubt anything comes out of it as the american people will calm down and come to their senses before theres even a vote
Yes, the Supreme Court is in our favor...for now. A couple more elections go the way they have recently and you are going to see guys like Scalia, Kennedy and Thomas replaced by the likes of Sotomayer and Kagan. Once that happens, you won't see a pro-2nd Amendment decision for decades and the laws being proposed will be upheld.
 
To the OP: Your suggestion is too gradualist for the antis. It doesn't give them the emotional catharsis that they're seeking. I like your comparison to Lincoln, abolitionism, and the Civil War. Slavery could have been abolished gradually, with compensation (as was done in the British Empire), but that wouldn't have satisfied the militants on either side. Today's gun issue, like the slavery issue in the 1850's and 60's, is basically a clash of irreconcilable cultures.
 
In 1994 president Clinton and a Democrat controled House and Senate passed an AWB.

After the 1996 election Clinton woke up and discovered that his party no longer controled the Legislature, and most of his whole agenda was blocked.

Never underestimate the number of gun owners in this country, and what can happen if too many of them get ticked off. :uhoh:
 
With that massive a violation of the constitution I think you would be looking at a civil war prior to that plan making it that far

I don't think there will be a civil war if they don't confiscate the guns already out there. Who's going to fight just because they can no longer buy new AR's?

In 1994 president Clinton and a Democrat controled House and Senate passed an AWB

Old Fuff, I always listen to you closely, but in 2012 we've got Obama and a Democrat-controlled Senate and a weak and ineffectual Republican Speaker leading a group with far too many Rhinos ready to roll over and surrender.
 
To the OP: Your suggestion is too gradualist for the antis. It doesn't give them the emotional catharsis that they're seeking.

I agree, but I'm worried that they'll get smart and logical instead of running away on emotion. If Biden was leading it instead of Feinstein, I think we'd be in more trouble....oops I guess he will be.
 
Sell guns to the government? Hell, I know guys that NEVER buy a gun on a yellow form, and have paid a premium just so they have no record of having a gun. Why would they ever consider selling their guns to the government? Also, I do not need the money. Why wouid I sell mine, or even acknowledge that that I have any (or one, for that matter). I'd sell mine to a discreet individual for half the money first. Now, I would buy a gun FROM the government, like an M14, M16, etc............
 
My thought is that if they can pass an AWB and when the next massacre happens, and it will, they will have the political inertia to start confiscation.
 
I wonder how many bad guys would turn in their weapons...?

Confiscation will Never happen.
 
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