Fox News is advocating outing CCW!

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I was just watching Fox news and they were talking about the teacher in Oregon that we are talking about in this thread.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=316549&highlight=teacher

They bought up the point about how dangerous it was for ccw'ers to be outed
and targeted for burglary/killing so criminals could get a hold of a gun....
They just laughed it off, as if the folks who have been killed in the past never happened
Gun owners have been killed for their guns when outed, cops have been killed for their guns,gun are not magic talismans and we do not have eyes in the back of our heads.


Fox news is a Behemoth and its talking heads quite protected, it would probably be difficult to post the personal info (of them) on the internet.
The newspaper (and the advertisers) would be a lot easier.
We have GOT to generate some heat on this issue!

This is not a laughing matter, in Roanoke a women who had a restraining order had her personal info released and in Ohio a guy was killed and his gun stolen
 
They bought up the point about how dangerous it was for ccw'ers to be outed
and targeted for burglary/killing so criminals could get a hold of a gun....
They just laughed it off, as if the folks who have been killed in the past never happened
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I did not see the news article. Can you clarify who "they" refers to? I do not really understand your post.
 
Well I hope they spell my name right in the paper or on my tombstone. Of course my entire family packs a gun so they are going to have to print us all up. Seems though after it's all done the paper should release the names and addresses of all those involved in the release and the printing. It should be public knowledge.

jj
 
Just Jim "Seems though after it's all done the paper should release the names and addresses of all those involved in the release and the printing. It should be public knowledge."

Ya got that right!

No one should be watching Fox Noise.
 
bsf

it was just on foul news, oop's I mean fox news, it wasn't on the net
like an editorial.

just jim, if you mean the paper should release the names (addresses) of everyone who works at the paper, I agree.
 
it wasn't on the net like an editorial.
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Many seem to think that if there isn't a web link to comments they didn't happen. Therein lies the beauty of mass media news. The editorializing DURING their reports or within the "talk segements" basically give an indication of how the reporters think and, by extension, how they are prompting viewers to think.

And because it isn't part of a written format, it escapes a lot of scrutinity. After all, how many people order transcripts of Fox and Friends Morning Show?

I've spent the last 15 years having to be in front of a number of news stations literally 8-10 hours a day. I have seen this daily.

Peaceful Social Engineering does not occur from one news article or report. It comes from hundreds and thousands of small comments that "guide" society through incremental steps to a desired outcome. When people are repeatedly reinforced that a certain way of thinking is popular and "right," it is only a matter of time before that person subconsciously makes mental adjustments in order to "fit in" if they are not consciously and actively considering the subject matter-- and most do not.

And most people seem to want to be on the popular side and/or what is perceived to be the "winning team"-- even if they do not necessarily agree or have strong feelings on a subject.

Furthermore, many people are willing to side with the institution on matters where they are not personally invested. They just simply don't have time to form an original opinion so they are willing to co-opt the opinion of others.


Sad, aint it?


-- John
 
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Why should it bother anyone to be "outed" as someone who legally packs heat? Some seem to think that this would make someone a target for criminal attack.

Yet, when I stated my opinion that open carry was a bad tactical choice for most people in most situations, I was set upon by OC enthusiasts, many who insisted that OC was a strong deterrent to criminal attack.

Isn't it true that if someone is OCing, they are "outing" themselves?

I wonder if the same people who are complaining now are also OC enthusiasts who like to go out in public displaying to all who can see that they are carrying guns?

It seems like some people just can't be pleased.

As for me. I carry concealed. And if someone "outs" me, I don't much care. After all, I'm carrying a gun, right? If someone thinks that I'm some kind of a target because of that, I would say that is a very bad idea for them to have.
 
The Fox Morning show is a pack of trained monkeys who spout what they are told. Usually it's mindless conservative blather but sometimes they slip. I've heard them go antigun before. The next day, the dope had to apologize.

This has happened before. They once went off on black guns and nuts that have them.
 
novaDAK said:
Concealed carry does you do good if everyone knows you're packing.
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why the popularity of the fanny pack, then? According to what I've been told, people like to wear the fanny pack holsters because of the convenience, ease of access and as, if not more, importantly the perception on the part of bg's and cops that "old white guy" + "fannypack" = "concealed handgun"..
 
lets be frank

Many seem to think that if there isn't a web link to comments they didn't happen. Therein lies the beauty of mass media news. The editorializing DURING their reports or within the "talk segements" basically give an indication of how the reporters think and, by extension, how they are prompting viewers to think.
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JWarren! That is a great post, well written and accurate, that is how I feel but I couldn't articulate it. THANKS for quality posting.
 
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frankie_the_yankee said:
Yet, when I stated my opinion that open carry was a bad tactical choice for most people in most situations, I was set upon by OC enthusiasts, many who insisted that OC was a strong deterrent to criminal attack.

Isn't it true that if someone is OCing, they are "outing" themselves?
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No...

It is a matter of degree. One who is open carrying in public still pretty much retains his anonymity. No one knows who you are or where you live.

When a news organization outs you there is created a written record, easily accessible by anyone who cares to look.

CCW lists are a double edged sword. Want to know where guns are for sure so you can steal 'em. Now ya do. Want to know where they probably aren't so you can go after homes where the occupants won't be shooting back? Now ya do.

So no - outing a CCW'r is not quite the same as open carrying outing one's self.
 
Maybe we should establish a 'media constitution' that defines what the media can an cannot due to private citizens, sine they seem to have way more power than the government anyway.

Whatever happened to our constitutional right to be LEFT ALONE!
 
Personally I don't think they should print a persons name and address period! Whether its for CWP, traffic ticket, or Google search without their permission!
 
sarg

I don't have a ccw permitt, but still live in America.... If I have a reason to carry, I CARRY. No secret, NO if's No buts..
 
JWarren said:
Many seem to think that if there isn't a web link to comments they didn't happen. Therein lies the beauty of mass media news. The editorializing DURING their reports or within the "talk segements" basically give an indication of how the reporters think and, by extension, how they are prompting viewers to think.
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That's certainly true, but on the flip side it is difficult to get worked up about a secondhand comment, particularly in this case where the commenter didn't reference a specific show, a specific day or time of airing, or the actual name of the person making the comment, and then went on to suggest taking it to the newspaper editors/advertisers instead, further blurring the facts of the instance.

Surely on THR moreso than any other issues forum "make sure of your target" is a rule that should be taken seriously. ;)
 
frankie says...
As for me. I carry concealed. And if someone "outs" me, I don't much care. After all, I'm carrying a gun, right?
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gunsmith responds:

Thats nice, you're a super warrior
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Nope. Just an old white guy. But one that doesn't much worry whether people know I carry or not. At various times I have been a political activist on the gun issue, and it kind of goes with the territory.

I remember a while back when the NRA went through the list of NYC permit holders to show how the rich and famous get favored treatment and to highlight the hypocrasy of some. They went on to report that people like the notoriously anti-gun publusher of the NYT held a NYC carry permit.

I don't recall any big outcry or outrage then.

The teacher who (unsuccessfully) sued her school district in WA state for the right to carry in school outed herself.

I have a problem with media outlets publishing or posting mass lists of permit holders. But not because I think it makes them a target. If anything, BG's might tend to give them a wide berth. (Though there are exceptions to every rule.) I am more concerned that BG's could review those lists to identify people who DO NOT have CHL's so that they could target THEM.

Finally, lighten up! Merry Christmas!
 
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Originally Posted by JWarren
"Many seem to think that if there isn't a web link to comments they didn't happen. Therein lies the beauty of mass media news. The editorializing DURING their reports or within the "talk segements" basically give an indication of how the reporters think and, by extension, how they are prompting viewers to think. "

That's certainly true, but on the flip side it is difficult to get worked up about a secondhand comment, particularly in this case where the commenter didn't reference a specific show, a specific day or time of airing, or the actual name of the person making the comment, and then went on to suggest taking it to the newspaper editors/advertisers instead, further blurring the facts of the instance.

Surely on THR moreso than any other issues forum "make sure of your target" is a rule that should be taken seriously.
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True enough. And that is more of a reason to be VERY diligent in getting the facts, details, times, and persons anytime you post the comments seen on a show.

Whenever I've posted something like that or written a station I make sure to be specific. Otherwise, it is meaningless a person had any expectations.


My point was/is that the lack of a web-link does not absolve the actions of TV and/or radio media. But it is OUR responsibility to document it.


-- John
 
I remember a while back when the NRA went through the list of NYC permit holders to show how the rich and famous get favored treatment and to highlight the hypocrasy of some. They went on to report that people like the notoriously anti-gun publusher of the NYT held a NYC carry permit.
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Anyone know who this is?
 
frankie wrote:
I remember a while back when the NRA went through the list of NYC permit holders to show how the rich and famous get favored treatment and to highlight the hypocrasy of some. They went on to report that people like the notoriously anti-gun publusher of the NYT held a NYC carry permit.
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Wacki asks:

Anyone know who this is?
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His name is Arthur "Pinch" Sulzberger Jr.
 
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