Would you mind being a little more specific as to whom your attempt at marginalization is directed at?It is sure hard to argue with that kind of logic. Because there is none.
Would you mind being a little more specific as to whom your attempt at marginalization is directed at?
Bexar
Who said shot placement wasn't important or did you just imagine that?Well lets see...
So far we've decided that shot placement isn't important so we should make up for lousy shooting with explosive bullets.
That we should only make head shots and that Match King is the right hammer for the job. Even if they are so flimsy they won't exit on a deers skull....YGBSM!!
And goll durn it even if Sierra the people who make the Match King are very direct and very stern in their warning not use Match Kings for hunting. On the internet they become a great hunting bullet because some guy has killed a couple of deer with them.
And finally we should use a .45-70 to make up for lousy shot placement because it has .153 more diameter than a .308 and that is somehow going to make a difference if we can't shoot?
If I told you how many critters I've killed between sport hunting and culling you wouldn't believe me. So instead I'll just say that I've killed and seen enough killed to have figured out what works and what doesn't. A decent bullet in the right spot one with which you can increase your shot opportunities due to having a bit of penetration is the key.
You simply can not make up for poor placement.
And I'd rather have the soft point in case I hit a really thick bone, because I want that round to break that bone and keep going for full penetration.
So have we come to a conclusion while some of have still not answered TRIGGA's question and others posts and questions that the correct bullet is the one the individual hunter prefers to use based on their needs and experiences being limited only to legal issues?
Bexar,
You'll find that on these sites there will never be a group conclusion on just about anything. Even the most obviously correct answer to you won't be when it comes to another persons personal experiences and thoughts.
But there is usually a tidbit or two of useful information that you can pick up somewhere in most of these threads.
Yep, Hunter I finally couldn't agree with you more...you have definitely been oblivious to the obvious answer. Sorry Bud.
I may try my 22-250 for shots just like the ones you listed, good neck shots, or 90 degree cross-shot through the ribs and vitals. I see what this bullet does to a woodchuck and to a coyote. Next deer season, this rifle is coming off the rack.I've never shot an elk or an elephant, but between my deer and friends' deer, I've been in on the "autopsy" of somewhere beyond a hundred. Probably a dozen different cartridges, through the years.
SFAIK, I'm the only guy in the group that ever used what I'd call a fragmenting bullet. .243; the Sierra 85-grain HPBT. But there's a great big "however": I only took neck shots or 90º cross-body heart/lung shots, and limited myself to shots inside of 200 yards. Probably 90% neck shots.
For general purpose deer hunting, where you don't really know what angle may present itself when Bambi jumps up to run, I think that a fragmenting bullet is a foolish choice. My opinion is that controlled expansion and good penetration are the parameters for one's selection of a bullet--and there's a gazillion of them out there.
I dunno. If you're picky about your shot, figuring on "up close and personal" which to me is anything inside of a hundred yards, I see no real reason to care what kind of bullet is used for a head or neck shot. It's just meat for the pot, is all. DRT, fun's over, work begins.
And so, chilluns, we're back to "No one size fits all." It's all about circumstances and intent.
"This discussion of match vs controlled expansion is repeated over and over all over the Internet..."
True, and it appears from reading that it's quite often confusing to newbies.
My personal problem with this sort of discussion derives from "doing what my daddy did"--but for me that started sixty years ago. He showed me what worked well; I found that it worked well. So, if something ain't broke, why fix it?
I thus don't spend much time worrying about other folks' notions. If they're happy, I'm happy.
If Bambi's lying on the ground all green-eyed, without having moved much from when he was shot, I figure the shooter did a righteous deal. Time for a beer...
If I ever had to choose only one gun...one cartridge...one round it would be a hundred plus year old designed 1903 in 30-06 shooting 180 gr Core-Lokts. I'd never need to fear no man, no beast or no hunger.