From the other side of the fence: a BHP guy reviews his first 1911

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On October 6th, I took a big step in my gun career. I brought home my first 1911. It is an older Springfield Mil-Spec bought NIB from Larry Correia of FBMG.

Being an older model MilSpec, and doesn't have the ILS lock. :) The ejection port is lowered a little bit, but not as much as newer models, and it is not flared. One of the things that drew me to this one is that it has an extended thumb safety... I wasn't aware that those came on any MilSpecs, but I am happy to have it.

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The frame-to-slide fit is pretty good, with a little movement, but the barrel-to-slide fit is excellent at the hood and at the bushing. The trigger pull is what I would judge to be around 5.5 pounds with some creep.

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I took it out for the first time on the 10th of October. I found that I could very easily hit what I was aiming at with this pistol. Recoil was also quite mild. I was shooting a few pieces of lumber that someone had left against the berm, and was very impressed at how easily that I could blow wood chunks all over the range.

My Dad said, "That'll come in handy if you ever have to cut down a tree." :evil:

I also noticed that a box of cartridged seems to go a lot farther when you're putting half as many into your magazine compared to a BHP.:D

I have put about 200 rounds through it so far, and am fairly pleased with the reliability for a range toy, but not enough to trust it for a carry weapon. Out of 3 range trips, I have had 3 malfunctions (1 on the first trip, 2 on the second, none on the last trip). The malfunctions are all a hangup when feeding that a small slap to the rear of the slide corrects. All the same, it's annoying and any malfunction is a little disturbing. I dont' know if it's something with the mags (have a bunch of new ones to try out), or if it's that the extractor needs tuning or replacing...

Even at that, there's something addictive about it. :eek: On the plus side, it feeds everything I've tried. FMJs, Golden Sabers, and Remington's 100-pack JHPs.

It came with Pachmayr wrap-around grips :barf: which were promptly replaced with reproduction-style Hogue checkered grips. Still nothin' fancy, but I think it fits the utilitarian gun better while still having a touch of that "double diamond" elegance.

And today, I finally swallowed my fear and detail stripped the gun. It was simpler that I first imagined, but I will have to go out on a limb and say that (as far as the frame goes) the Hi Power is easier to strip and put back together.

I haven't really done any shooting for groups yet, but I am sure that this will hold some tight groups.

Yes, it's safe to say that I'm pleased, but a few other things:
- I already hate grip screw bushings.
- How in *$%# do you get the slide stop in without using a tool to push in the plunger?
- I'd appreciate any advice on how to get this thing running 100%. I have ~1000 rounds through my FN Hi Power, and almost 2500 through my Browning Hi Power (both of which I would consider to be of equivalent quality to the MilSpec) without so much as a hiccup. I trust them both completely, and I believe that a gun like the Springfield is capable of that kind of reliability as well. Any tips are welcome and appreciated!!!

I'll probably think of more questions, but until then, I'll just leave you guys with a portrait of the siblings:
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Wes
 

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I don't find the slide stop tough to put back in. What I do is tilt it down some, so that semicircular part that goes through the little takedown cut on the slide is pressed against the frame just below the plunger. Push it up, the roundness of that little piece will push the plunger in, and you can snap the slidestop into place.

Bam!

I also have a Springfield Mil-Spec (but mine's stainless).

Dig the pictures of your pistols!

~GnSx
 
cool pics and thread.

i have a question for ya, how does felt recoil compare between the BHP and 1911? i currently enjoying/learning my first handgun (browning buck mark), and am now looking at either the BHP or 1911 as my first centerfire.
 
Good lookin' Springer. It'll be a great "first" 1911, and I am sure there will be more. By the way I seriously doubt that thumb safety came with the pistol from the factory. For one, the finish doesn't match. However, if you wanted an extended safety then you've just saved some money.
 
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Hey Wes,

Your experience with handguns was exactly the same as mine only backwards, mine was 1911(1991)first, then BHP second.

I'm sure you're gonna love that 1911, a word of caution though that 1911 won't be your "LAST":D
 
The mis-match in the finish of the frame and the safety make me think its an after market extended safety -- not that there is anything wrong with this.
Note that the slide stop lever matches the frame.

--wally.
 
Yeah, I wondered about the thumb safety... but then, I would have had it swapped it out for an "extended" safety anyway, so it looks like I came out one step ahead. :)

i have a question for ya, how does felt recoil compare between the BHP and 1911? i currently enjoying/learning my first handgun (browning buck mark), and am now looking at either the BHP or 1911 as my first centerfire.

Both guns are pretty soft-shooting. The biggest difference is that the BHP's recoil impulse is quick (but I wouldn't characterize it as "snappy"), whereas the 1911's impulse is slower and longer... sort of like a long push.

Yes... I don't think this will be my last 1911.:evil:

Wes
 
Ive actually played with this gun. The benefit of being a fellow REDNECK! :neener:
Its a nice gun. The slidestop installation described above works well. Its just getting used to it...much like a BHP. Just different.....er, you get it.

Nice write up Wes......now, I need to borrow it for holster molding.....say about a month or two, need a couple cases of ammo and so on. :D

Shoot well.
 
I should probably just shutup until Tuner comes along to help, but I have a couple of uneducated guesses as to your reliability troubles. One could be that the hangups are caused by using hollowpoints. I don't know how well throated the milspec barrels are, but hollowpoints might not feed as reliably compared to ball ammo in those. I would grab several boxes of 230 gr ball and see if the jams continue. Magazines would be the next runner up, so I might switch to a reputable maker, like the Wilson 7 or 8 round mags, just to rule that out as a cause if nothing else. Lastly, it could just be that the recoil spring is a little strong and needs some breaking in, causing is to 'short cycle' a bit and hangup on the cartridge.
My humble 2 cents...:)
 
Yep, if you like the Hi-Power you'll love the 1911.

My "education" on both these fine platforms was in reverse of yours - I grew up shooting Dad's 1911 and bought a Belgian Beauty later on.

Theres no finer platform for the 9x19 than the Hi-power and the 1911 is so similar, it does not surprise me that you like it as well.

Single action autopistols rule!

- Brickboy240
 
You're welcome Wes:evil: (i knew shooting mine would influnce you:D ) You need good clean mags and it will feed just about anything mine do.
 
Ron, you have no idea how heavily that little trip influenced me. :) That was a fun trip. Thanks very much. ;)

I have to admit -- after trading one of my Hi Powers towards this (the FEG clone), I was kind of remorseful... I feel better about it the more I get to know the 1911.

I don't find the slide stop tough to put back in. What I do is tilt it down some, so that semicircular part that goes through the little takedown cut on the slide is pressed against the frame just below the plunger. Push it up, the roundness of that little piece will push the plunger in, and you can snap the slidestop into place.

That works for every other 1911 on the planet, but no matter how I do it, it won't work with this one. I think the slide stop detent sticks out too far...? :confused:

Wes
 
Very nice! I'm sure you'll like your new 1911. I'm like you, a BHP guy deluxe. Maybe someday I'll take the 1911 plunge but a gun jamming just p*sses me off. I'll be interested in the replies you get. Congrats! ;)


Single action autopistols rule!

+1 Heck yea! :D
 
Funny, but I'm planning the same thing! I'm searching for a decent Sistema 1911A1 and I plan to pay part of it off with my only commercial HP, an Argy M90. I just packed it up, ready to go trade hunting. Still hanging on to a few HPs though, just for comfort.
 
Add me to the list of guys who started with the 1911 and later bought a Hi-Power.

My first .45 (still have it) was a Series 70 Gold Cup that I bought for $375 in 1981. No finer handgun ever made.

I picked up the Hi-Power in 1995, just before the "ban". I slapped on a pair of Hogue rubber grips and have been shooting it ever since.

A box of .45 ACP may last longer, but aren't those 9mm's cheap !
 
Yeah, it took me a while to understand the 1911. Now I'm gowing through some growing pains w/ my BHP, but I'm sure I'll be happier once I'm all grow'd up!
 
Started shooting 1911s in 1959 and now have a "few". Bought a stainless SA Mil-Spec about a year ago with some windfall money I didn't want to waste on food, electricity, etc. Did a few small mods on it to include making the stock safety into the old small tab GI configuration which I grew up with.

I also have a couple of BHPs (a tangent sighted Inglis and a Mk III Israeli) but whereas I really have to work to shoot them well this SA makes life easy. Pop cans don't stand a chance at 25 yards out and somewhat further. I would like to think it's all skill but for some reason the SA really works with and for me. I have fooled with SIG P-220s, Glock 17s, and a Ruger P97 recently and the SA works better for me than any of them.

Might change out the light firing pin and extractor some time but we're just about up to 1000 rounds and all is well.

I just flat *like* this gun. Hope yours is just as good. Sounds like it.
 
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