from today's CATO Daily Dispatch

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Posters. Note: Respecting The Patriot Act, and Civil Rights, a lot more than "3 degrees of separation", more like 180 degrees, I should think. Beware lest our elected things reauthorize the PA and broaden powers granted, as has been proposed.

Republicans Criticize PATRIOT Act
"A closed-door vote by the Senate Intelligence Committee last week to expand law enforcement powers under the USA PATRIOT Act is prompting sharp criticism from some conservative leaders who are otherwise among the most vocal allies of President Bush and the Republican leadership in Congress," according to the Los Angeles Times.

"... The conservatives, including former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) and political activists who have been long-standing critics of the anti-terrorism law, lashed out with particular force last week against the White House, members of Congress and Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales. They said they had expected a more open review of the Patriot Act in which lawmakers considered some limits in order to safeguard civil liberties."

In "More Surveillance Equals Less Liberty: Patriot Act reduces privacy, undercuts judicial review," Timothy Lynch, director of the Cato Institute's Project on Criminal Justice, writes: "Now that two years have passed since the trauma of the Sept. 11 catastrophe, it is a good time to take a step back from the politics of the moment and take stock as to how our policymakers have responded to the threat posed by terrorism.

"Too many conservatives have brushed aside grievances about civil-liberties violations in the mistaken belief that President Bush's political opponents are simply trying to dress up a partisan attack in noble-sounding rhetoric about liberty, privacy and the Constitution. The opposite is true."
 
Closed-door discussions are one thing... but closed-door votes from our officials without discussions in public floors about issues that buttress right to our constitutional rights is wrong. Don't see why that is needed here.
 
Centac wrote:

"While in a perfect world we may try to explain ourselves, that may not always take place. For example, if during a traffic stop I observe an empty coffee can or bag in your car, your car is getting searched, no ifs ands or buts. Some of you know why, and I'll bet some dont. Depending on the interaction I may explain why, or I may not, but your car is still getting searched regardless."
CENTAC, THR MEMBER 2005
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthre...t=140048&page=2

I browsed through the discussion at the link you provided, and while the following might indicate, to some, that I'm thick headed or "slow", I'm among those who "dont".

By the way if, as a result of the above mentioned "evidence" or "suspicion", that empty coffee can, you or some other Police State Type delayed me, and or "messed with me", the end result of your antics would be another law abiding citizen who had a jaundiced view of the police, and from whom you could not reasonably expect much in the way of coopereation.

Respecting the foregoing by the way, what did your search gain, as opposed to what it caused the loss of? Think about that, if you will. Otherwise, respecting the non public discussions of our elected things, one wonders as to what our "public servants" are hiding?
 
Alan,

That's just his signature. He wasn't directing that toward you.

As for private voting that would be unlawful. Any laws passed in such a way would be unlawful laws and should be ignored.
 
hmm, I have a roll of toilet paper in an empty coffee can in my truck...that means I am "suspicious"...? :scrutiny:
 
I'm half tempted to strap a couple of empty Folgers cans on my sissy-bar for a few days. Crazy stuff, Centac.
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Risasi wrote:

Alan,

That's just his signature. He wasn't directing that toward you.

As for private voting that would be unlawful. Any laws passed in such a way would be unlawful laws and should be ignored.

Risasi:

What you say might be correct, I don't know you, nor do I know Centac. About all that I can say, re your comment is the following. "That's one hell of a signature".

Re my own comments, I will stand on what I said, and once again ask the following. Respecting whatever might have been gained from such searches as Centac speaks of, what could be lost, and which is of greater import?

I believe that the lost section of the "score card" carries with it a much greater value quotient. I will of course admit to having been wrong about one thing or another before, and possibly now/here too.

My question however still stands.

As to this closed vote in The Senate, might I make so bold as to note the following. By virtue of exactly what did THE PEOPLE'S SERVANTS become so damned uppity? I also repeat my warning regarding what our elected servants might well try to sneak through, gutless wonders that so many of them are. By the way, regarding President Bush, for whom I voted, the sad songs that he goes about singing are becoming more and more tiresome, as well as ever less credible.
 
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