Frustrated with trying to learn in NYC

[btg3]

Additionally, I do not really have the funds to purchase one. Or to take a really in depth gun class.

Look ahead and budget your total expenditure for:
gun
instruction, class
permit
ammo
club or range costs
cleaning kit
holster
extra magazine
security cabinet

Let me emphasize the security cabinet. You should buy this first. You don't want to come home with your newly purchased gun and wonder how to keep it secured with 2 roomates about the place. Security cabinets are great for other valuables as well as guns. You may already have a plan for secure storage, but I thought it should be mentioned.

 

[parsimonious_instead]

Give him a break. He is being honest. My advise is to move to a gun friendly state.

Or just move to a suburban city like Yonkers or White Plains, that have quick access to Manhattan. In counties outside of NYC, longarms require nothing more than a standard NICS check. A "pistol permit" is still a pain in the butt, but it's just a matter of time, fees and paperwork. It's pretty close to "shall issue" - absent a criminal record, I have yet to hear of anyone getting denied.

 

[Panzercat]

I'd ask somebody here the next time you're on vacation "somewhere else". You'd be surprised who might offer to help, but NYC is just the pits for any sort of firearm related activities.

 

[Pilot]

Gentlemen. Remember where he lives. He has been told over, and over that guns are bad, and by themselves cause crime, and death. Brainwahsing comes to mind, but he is fighting it.

To the OP. Guns are just tools. They do not get up off the table, and shoot people by themselves. If you can read an instruction manual, you can responsibly own a gun. Get a gun, learn how to maintain it, and get safety, and shooting instruction. Remember, no ammo in the gun, no negligent discharge. Don't put ammo in it until you go to the range with an experienced shooter. If you are that worried, don't buy ammo until you go to the range.

 

[Flopsweat]

Dgold, I think what's making some of us uneasy is the way you keep saying that you're not responsible enough. Maybe you mean "not experienced" rather than "not responsible". Hearing a 29 year old calling himself irresponsible (the same as "not responsible" but think about that) while considering owning a gun can be a little unsettling. Gauging by the rest of your post I'd like to assume that you just made a poor word choice. Could that be it?

 

[hnk45acp]

Hi fellow, NYC dweller here. Here's some handy advice
You can't handle a pistol until you get your permit, so there's no way of learning in the city before you get your permit. Also you don't need to join a club to own in NYC.
My advice, take a trip with your teacher to PA or some other gun friendly state and learn and handle as many guns as you can, then go thru the process here

 

[steelerdude99]

There is an existing THR thread for a DC reporter who has been trying to jump through all of the hoops to get a handgun. As of the last post in mid-December, still no GUN.

The situation is that handguns are not outlawed, just impossible to get for almost everyone.

search for:
Emily Gets Her Gun: Washington, DC Reporter Buys A Handgun

chuck

 

[dgold0101]

Guys, thanks for all your input.

Pete, I'll send you a PM within the week. I appreciate the offer and will definitely take you on it within the month.

 

[toivo]

It is difficult but possible to get a premises-only handgun permit in NYC. A carry permit is nigh-unto impossible unless you are a retired LEO or one of the rich-and-famous. But I strongly encourage you to go for the premises permit. Every little step towards normalization of firearms ownership in NYC deserves a big round of applause.

 

[ByAnyMeans]

http://westsidepistolrange.com/newtoshooting.php



You can check out this place. It's expensive and given the rules on NYC you can only rent a 22 lr. rifle but it gives you a safety class and range time. They also offer private instruction.

Your second option is to move, I left for Pennsylvania and could not be happier. I can still get back to NY to see my family in under two hours and that's to Long Island. Granted that is extreme just to shoot a gun but for if you it was about moving to a whole different lifestyle.

 

[Pete D.]

There is a lot of misinformation being bandied about in this thread. I am no defender of NYC and its firearms regulations but some of the stuff being said just ain't true.

but NYC is just the pits for any sort of firearm related activities.

I have a pistol range five blocks from my house. I shot there Monday, yesterday and today. I shot three rounds of Trap at my club on Staten Island yesterday before heading to the range for a pistol match. I turned down an invitation from a friend to use his club's rifle, pistol (and steel plate facility) because I just couldn't fit it in.

Impossible to get a pistol permit? You didn't read my earlier post or didn't believe it. No, it is not a fast process and it is expensive. But....if you are not a felon or otherwise in trouble with the law, You pay the fee, fill out the application and you will be issued a permit. The guy waiting in December...when did he file?

Pete

 

[hermannr]

Hej Pete! Looks like Dgold found someone that can truly help him. Very happy to see that and a tip of the hat to you.

 

[scaatylobo]

Reasons I LEFT nyc

I wanted to learn to shoot and EDC a gun as well as own them without getting the hassle of nyc's B.S.

SO,left nyc in 1972 and have never looked back.

I live in Western NYS,and its easy to get a CCW here and I have had one for over 34 years.

It was one of the reasons I became a Armored courier.

AND then an LEO,left after 26 years due to injurys.

SO,my advise is leave that ****ty asap,if your serious as to owning and using firearms.

BUT,in the interim do take advantage of that retirees knowledge.

But remember he was taught the nyc way and that does not include all you should know.

Unless he is what is stupidly called a "gun nut" then your GTG.

 

[LKB3rd]

You could make a field trip to CT, rent a gun and take a class. 100% legal (assuming there isn't anything you haven't told us about your history). Maybe the NYPD guy you know could come with you, and give you a free class?

 

[Pilot]

Impossible to get a pistol permit? You didn't read my earlier post or didn't believe it. No, it is not a fast process and it is expensive. But....if you are not a felon or otherwise in trouble with the law, You pay the fee, fill out the application and you will be issued a permit. The guy waiting in December...when did he file?

You are talking about a "pistol permit" in order to just buy/own a pistol, not for concealed carry of a pistol, correct? That in itself would be gun hell for me.

 

[woad_yurt]

I have a friend who lives in NYC and has gone through the hoops to own 2 handguns.

The trick to buying a handgun within the given purchase-time window is to find a local dealer who will allow you to reserve a gun with a deposit or have one shipped there and is willing to let it sit there until your purchase-time window is open. I suggest scoping one out in Westchester or Nassau county. In the city, they're going to charge you an arm and a leg. He found a dealer that will work with one by using Gunbroker's find-a-dealer-near-you-for-transfer-purposes feature; they put themselves on Gunbroker themselves so they're willing to do transfers. Whatever you do, know that you'll have to take time off from work to go to the various police agencies to get the permit and to then again show them the gun so they can record the gun and serial number.

Regarding your learning about the gun itself, a revolver would be much less of a task than would be a semi-auto. The manual of arms (how to operate & maintain the piece) is much, much simpler. For anyone other than an NYC resident, I'd probably recommend a .22 as a first gun. But, since it's such a time-consuming hellish ordeal to get a gun there, I'd suggest a good, ol' .38 SPL. At least you'd be able to defend your home properly a year earlier than you would if you had bought the .22 first.

When my friend went to register his Makarov, the bone-head cop doing the registration mistook the importer's name for the manufacturer. So now, he legally owns a C.A.I. pistol chambered in 9X18. At least, I think it's C.A.I. At any rate, they obviously didn't know what they were looking at.

Maybe there are some forum members who live just outside of the city who'd be willing to meet up and take you shooting?

 

[Pete D.]

But remember he was taught the nyc way and that does not include all you should know.

I am really, really curious to know just what that means. What might be missing from "all you should know?"
The flaw, frankly, in that observation is the "he was taught the NYC way" which is an assumption.
Pete

 

[toivo]

When my friend went to register his Makarov, the bone-head cop doing the registration mistook the importer's name for the manufacturer. So now, he legally owns a C.A.I. pistol chambered in 9X18. At least, I think it's C.A.I. At any rate, they obviously didn't know what they were looking at.

I'm not so sure the cop was wrong. "Makarov" isn't a manufacturer: it's a model/pattern, like "AK-47." The manufacturer was a state-run factory in Russia, China, East Germany, or Bulgaria (unless it's a later Russian commercial model, in which case it's a Baikal). I went through the same thing when I registered my Makarov. According to the permit bureau clerk, the correct thing to do is list "C.A.I." as the manufacturer and "Makarov" as the model. That's also how the FFL wrote it on my receipt: he always does make/model (like S&W/642), and for this one he wrote C.A.I./Makarov.

 

[Pete D.]

+1 about that.
Pete

 

[Pat M]

The laws in NY are pretty wacky. You cannot handle a handgun until you have a license. Which, in effect, means that you cannot take a basic pistol training class until you have the license. Supposedly, once your paperwork is submitted in Suffolk County, the pistol license section can issue a letter allowing you to take the class, but no one I know has ever seen one. I got my license when I was 18, but could not purchase a handgun until I was 21. Now, you cannot apply until you are 21. Current wait time in Nassau County is up to a year, in Suffolk about 6 months. In Suffolk you can have the permit with no guns listed on it, which allows you to shoot. Someone mentioned applying for a Premise Permit. What good is that? He would not be able to take it to the range. My advice is to move to Suffolk, Westchester, or a free state.

 

[Derry 1946]

dgold: Lots of good advice already posted here. I'll add, find an instructor you trust and with whom you feel comfortable. (Sounds like you have probably already done that, but no harm in shopping around, or having multiple gurus.) This person will be a great source of knowledge, instruction, and confidence. Do get your safe first. At no cost and with no risk, you can read a great deal on the web and at the bookstore or library about how to handle and care for firearms, and the important legal and safety considerations. For what it's worth, I started with revolvers and found them a little simpler and easier to understand, clean, maintain, load, store, carry, holster, conceal, and operate. (No knock on automatics!)

Nice to see many of the NYC folks posting their well-informed input here.

Regards,
Derry

 

[steelerdude99]

I saw at least two posters in this thread say that "You can't handle a pistol until you get your permit" in NY. Does that mean if you have a permit and have a gun or guns that you cannot take someone shooting w/ you who does not have a permit? If that's the case...WOW! That's not just killing the Second Amendment, it's desecrating the corpse.

chuck

 

[scaatylobo]

@ pete d.

Pete D.
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Quote:
But remember he was taught the nyc way and that does not include all you should know.
I am really, really curious to know just what that means. What might be missing from "all you should know?"
The flaw, frankly, in that observation is the "he was taught the NYC way" which is an assumption.
Pete


I am sorry that I did not bother to explain.

I was an LEO and went to the same firearms instructors school as 12 other NYC officers.

THEY were the ones to point out that they are only allowed to train with the gun they are issued,unless they are a very special few that are in the SCU [ special service unit - aka SWAT ].

The officers I trained with ONLY knew the Glock and that was all they could carry or train with.

That being the case,I am under the belief that if this civilian might not get any training with a revolver [ yes,they are easier for novice shooters = imnsho ].

And I truly believe that just learning to shoot from a firearms instructor will not give you the knowledge of the Penal Law [ article 35,use of force ] .

Nor the Tactics for a civilian to carry and CONCEAL as many NYC officers dont worry about that as much as a civilian should.After all they generally wont lose their CCW if they are spotted by another LEO.

Hope my point is clearer now.

I was a firearms instructor and defensive tactics instructor and I needed and took classes on my own to better myself.

Most LEO's do not do so.

 

[Pat M]

Chuck, yes, that is correct. You cannot even handle a handgun in the store until you show them your permit. Friends and family cannot shoot your guns until they have their own permit. Friends from out of state....nope (unless it's an nra sponsored event....I think). Pretty lame ehh?

 

[toivo]

I saw at least two posters in this thread say that "You can't handle a pistol until you get your permit" in NY. Does that mean if you have a permit and have a gun or guns that you cannot take someone shooting w/ you who does not have a permit? If that's the case...WOW! That's not just killing the Second Amendment, it's desecrating the corpse.

Sad but true. There are a few exceptions: minors over 18 but under 21 can shoot handguns on a range under the supervision of an NRA certified instructor, but once they turn 21, they have to stop until they get a permit. You can't apply for a permit until you're 21, and it can take from three months to a year to process: that's quite speed-bump in your training program. But it's supposed to keep us all safer. Yup.

Also, a person who has applied for a permit can ask for special permission from the issuing judge to get training while waiting for the permit to be processed. This is written into the law, but I've never seen it actually happen. In most cases, you can't even find out which judge is reviewing your application, probably because the judges don't want to be bothered by people asking for this permission.

The good news is that NY State permits are valid for life, and there are no restrictions on carrying in Applebee's et al. So far...