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...what I don't understand is why State Troopers are telling Phil at the Brick Armory that they are indeed ILLEGAL. Can you please explain this to me?
Probably for the same reason some individual municipalities try to charge $50+ for a pistol permit - they've found that most people don't know the law, and that they can take advantage of it.
I ran into a small problem here in my town when I was applying for my firearms ID. In the course of conversation I had mentioned that I had already been doing some shooting, and the clerk taking care of my paperwork asked me how this was possible since I didn't own a firearm. I told her that I had been renting at the range, and using my brother's guns when he went along with me, and she expressed what can only be described as abject horror - "RENTING???" She had no idea such a thing was done. I told her to look up the statute regarding temporary transfer, and to get back to me if she had any questions.
I always tell my students who are going to apply for a permit for the first time - study the statutes, take copies with you just in case your town decides to try to rip you off. A well-informed person can't be taken advantage of by authorities who seem to have no problem making this stuff up as they go along.
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Rovert
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Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: Sep. 01 2004,11:45
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The larger issue I think all of these things bring out, and the common denominator underlying it all, is that there's no ACCOUNTABILITY on the part of municipalities, and no advocate for us. There's no "watchdog" to hold towns and officials accountable for their failure to perform.
There's nobody to force municialities to issue an FID within the state mandated time frame. There's nobody to force towns like Toms River to abandon its policy of extortion regarding re-fingerprinting and the surcharge for it, despite the fact that it's in contravention to state law. There's nobody out there to hold a municipality to a timetable that requires them to issue purchase permits on time... and so on, and so on.
As an organization, we had hoped that by now we'd have many more members and as a result, a larger treasury that would enable us to have a "Legal Action Fund" to obtain professional legal support from someone like Nappen to start "going after" townships that interfere with our rights, and operate outside their state mandated rules and regulations. If the NJCSD could gain a reputation for being a 'watchdog' that has a bite as big as our bark, all it would then take is a single phone call to get things done. It would be great if we could be kind of like the ACLU for RKBA issues, where we have a "SWAT" team of legal talent to get things done.
That said, there are LOTS of things that the NJCSD, as an organization, is ready and willing to do. More specifically, we have BETTER IDEAS, because we have a more creative leadership than "the other guys". But that's another discussion, entirely.
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BRN169
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Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: Sep. 01 2004,12:34
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People are under the assumption that those that enforce the laws know them. Having no less than 8 close family members that are in law enforcement I can tell you plain and simple they do not know everything. There was talk of this change and who knows through word of mouth how the facts got distorted. It is also quite possible that an officers anti-gun viewpoint could be to blame... They may feel they are doing the lords work by causing law abiding gun owners grief, who knows. Bottom line, they are not obligated to instruct you about the law. It is your obligation to know the law and seek council if you can't figure it out alone...
Don't forget the Phil factor... He may just want to get out of the blocked-hi-cap business altogether after that chucklehead brought the State to his door...