G23 how worried should I be about KABOOM?
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Edward429451
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CZ52, I know it's just a marketing gimmick but there are those out there that believe what they read...maybe they'll also see it in print that it's a lie.
It IS about risk acceptance and confidence! I have tons more confidence in my Colt than I do my Glock. All guns will blow up under the right (wrong) circumstances, even Colt's. But we hear about more of the Glocks blowing up than any other pistol. With reloads AND factory ammo. I don't buy into the argument that I've heard that since there are so many Glocks on the street that it's just a numbers thing. There has to be way more Colts out there than Glocks. having been around since 1905/1911.
It's a trial & error thing.
LOL.
It IS about risk acceptance and confidence! I have tons more confidence in my Colt than I do my Glock. All guns will blow up under the right (wrong) circumstances, even Colt's. But we hear about more of the Glocks blowing up than any other pistol. With reloads AND factory ammo. I don't buy into the argument that I've heard that since there are so many Glocks on the street that it's just a numbers thing. There has to be way more Colts out there than Glocks. having been around since 1905/1911.
It's a trial & error thing.
LOL.auschip
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Well if by trial and error you mean no lead then you are correct. The only KBs I have heard of with proper factory ammo (by proper I mean no lead) have been with recalled Federal ammo.
I like 1911's, I think they are a fine pistol, but that doesn't mean they can'tsuffer a failure like any other firearm can.
Edward429451
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9X19, , if you want to go that route...then lets include all calibers of Colt *style* guns including 9mm, 40S&W, 10mm, 45ACP, Super, 460R, and all copycat makes, Sig, SA, Wilson, Baer and all the rest. I'm not just talking about Colt 45's!
Maybe alot of original Colts are in mothball status, agreed. But from what I see on the range, and read about, and gunsmithing guys and gunrags and so forth, I'd say it's a safe assumption that the 1911 style pistols are being sold like hotcakes like never before sans military contracts. And just where is our resident GlockTuner, eh? Eh?
auschip, jus bein funny (I think). I've heard of KB's with Win White box and A-Merc also.
, if you want to go that route...then lets include all calibers of Colt *style* guns including 9mm, 40S&W, 10mm, 45ACP, Super, 460R, and all copycat makes, Sig, SA, Wilson, Baer and all the rest. I'm not just talking about Colt 45's!Maybe alot of original Colts are in mothball status, agreed. But from what I see on the range, and read about, and gunsmithing guys and gunrags and so forth, I'd say it's a safe assumption that the 1911 style pistols are being sold like hotcakes like never before sans military contracts. And just where is our resident GlockTuner, eh? Eh?
auschip, jus bein funny (I think). I've heard of KB's with Win White box and A-Merc also.
CZ52GUY
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Edward429451
Hi,
Do you enjoy Glocks? Probably not. Even if they were "Perfection" I doubt you would like them. That is your right and your choice. I respect that. That's a matter of taste and subjective decision making based on your perspective. That's the criteria we all should use when considering the blaster we put on our belt.
Do you believe that anyone should enjoy Glocks? Your posts indicate that you believe that Gaston is close to the Devil incarnate and that all Glocks should be collected and burned (something the anti's would delight in I'm sure) my tongue firmly implanted in cheek .
I am not a Glock enthusiast or a "Kool-aid drinker" as some describe those who are Glock fans.
I'm offering this THR member (and all who are reading) the best objective advice I can based on my experience with 3 Glock 40's that I carry, practice, and compete with. They are not my favorite pieces. However, they are useful tools to me.
No one is asking you to take the risk. This member is already invested.
You should consider the laws of probability when you dismiss the market penetration impacts. 1M guns * .001 issues = 1000 reported issues per million. That adds up. Are Colts used for similar duties in similar #'s to Glocks? I don't think you can rationally argue that they are.
Should civilian gun owners ignore the known issues when deciding whether a Glock is for them? Absolutely not.
Can they take some comfort that with the right choice of ammo', maintenance, or by customizing with a new barrel (customizing being something that the 1911 platform is immune from)? I contend there is an enormous body of objective evidence that they can.
Each shooter needs to decide for themselves. I wouldn't recommend a Glock for everyone, nor would I a 1911 (even though I very much enjoy my 1911, more than my Glocks).
Stay Safe,
CZ52'
Hi,
Do you enjoy Glocks? Probably not. Even if they were "Perfection" I doubt you would like them. That is your right and your choice. I respect that. That's a matter of taste and subjective decision making based on your perspective. That's the criteria we all should use when considering the blaster we put on our belt.
Do you believe that anyone should enjoy Glocks? Your posts indicate that you believe that Gaston is close to the Devil incarnate
and that all Glocks should be collected and burned (something the anti's would delight in I'm sure) my tongue firmly implanted in cheek .I am not a Glock enthusiast or a "Kool-aid drinker" as some describe those who are Glock fans.
I'm offering this THR member (and all who are reading) the best objective advice I can based on my experience with 3 Glock 40's that I carry, practice, and compete with. They are not my favorite pieces. However, they are useful tools to me.
No one is asking you to take the risk. This member is already invested.
You should consider the laws of probability when you dismiss the market penetration impacts. 1M guns * .001 issues = 1000 reported issues per million. That adds up. Are Colts used for similar duties in similar #'s to Glocks? I don't think you can rationally argue that they are.
Should civilian gun owners ignore the known issues when deciding whether a Glock is for them? Absolutely not.
Can they take some comfort that with the right choice of ammo', maintenance, or by customizing with a new barrel (customizing being something that the 1911 platform is immune from
)? I contend there is an enormous body of objective evidence that they can.Each shooter needs to decide for themselves. I wouldn't recommend a Glock for everyone, nor would I a 1911 (even though I very much enjoy my 1911, more than my Glocks).
Stay Safe,
CZ52'
Edward,
IF we're going that route, then lets include world-wide sales figures for all models and calibers of Glocks... .380, 9x19, .357Sig, .40 S&W, 10mm, .45 GAP and .45ACP... we could even include those Glock-inspired guns as well, such as the S&W Sigma, Walther P-99, the Springfield XD, the Steyr S series, and Sig Pros.
Now you sleep on it and dream up your production figures, and I'll dream up mine and tomorrow we'll see who has the biggest... imagination!!!
The Glock gets beat up by alot of those professional screw turners simply because it doesn't require their services... its easy to dote on the models that put food on the table and the kids thru college.
IF we're going that route, then lets include world-wide sales figures for all models and calibers of Glocks... .380, 9x19, .357Sig, .40 S&W, 10mm, .45 GAP and .45ACP... we could even include those Glock-inspired guns as well, such as the S&W Sigma, Walther P-99, the Springfield XD, the Steyr S series, and Sig Pros.
Now you sleep on it and dream up your production figures, and I'll dream up mine and tomorrow we'll see who has the biggest... imagination!!!
The Glock gets beat up by alot of those professional screw turners simply because it doesn't require their services... its easy to dote on the models that put food on the table and the kids thru college.
I had over 30K rounds through the one I used to own when the trigger return spring broke. When I stripped the pistol to see what the problem was I noticed the locking block was split in half. Glock fixed everything. Worked fine for several hundred rounds afterward, then I noticed I was paying more for .40 than .45 and decided that maybe 9mm wasn't so bad after all.
I have atleast 10,000 rounds through my 23, 5,000 through my 27 and i don't even know how many i've shot through other peoples Glocks. Ain't none went kaboom yet.
Don't use reloads.
Don't use lead rounds.
Don't use reloads
Don't use ammo marked A-MERC (or something like that). It has a very bad rep.
Don't use reloads.
Don't use reloads.
Don't use lead rounds.
Don't use reloads
Don't use ammo marked A-MERC (or something like that). It has a very bad rep.
Don't use reloads.
Edward429451
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I'm outflanked I see. OK OK, I'll come clean. Hi, I'm Edward429451 and I'm a Glock owner.
Yes, I enjoy my Glock 21. Yes, I'm more accurate with the Glock than my Colt. at distance. No, it's never jammed on me with factory ammo.
So what the heck is my problem with it?
I'm more intimate with my Colt, had it longer, it's slimmer and therefore easier to carry, cheaper magazines, eats even my reloads without a bobble, and it's ok with lead. I'm a poor man and cast 95% of what I shoot and it just bugs me to no end that I'd have to buy ammo for it.
I've shot alot of lead in my G21 and do not advise anyone else to. I'm meticulous about cleaning it and always shoot the jacketed first. Still though the spectre of KB looms. Lead notwithstanding, there's still the unsupported chamber.
I need/want more than one 45. In my mind, they should be able to shoot the same reloads, even lead. Magazine compatibility would be a plus as well as holsters which I have extras of. Manual of arms, takedown, spare parts. *I* shouldn't have bought the Glock for *my* needs and situation. There. Happy now? (sob)
CZ52, the stuff you say...must you be so...so...(whats the word I'm looking for?....lookin for just the right word here...) Must you be so....um, correct?! Yes, you're right and I totally agree with what you said. A little facitiousness and subtle humor coupled with my inner desires and needs made me speak lowly of the Glock while holding up my Colt, and my apologies if I offended anyone or caused concern where there may not be much in your own personal niche of needs.
Sometimes I forget the underlying seriousness of the thoughts and posts and get a lil humerous and I'm wrong about that. But it was fun till you guys outflanked me! I do think that Glock missed the boat with the polygonal rifling and unsupported chamber though. Sorry if I hijacked the thread. I stand down now.
CZ52GUY
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Edward
I enjoy some overt humor myself.
Stay safe and in good humor,
CZ52'
I enjoy some overt humor myself
.Stay safe and in good humor
,CZ52'
Problems with American/a-merc ammo are not limited to Glocks by any means.
I've had "A-Merc induced" jams in a Ruger P89 that was otherwise faultless, and a friend of mine had severe problems at a CHL qualification course trying to qualify using American ammo and a 1911A1 pistol.
I think a search of this site would turn up more. For example:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95810&highlight=american+ammo
This thread points out an important fact--most American Ammo bullets are not jacketed--they are thinly plated with copper. That means that they will lead almost as badly as a pure lead bullet. The worst leading problem I EVER encounted was as the result of shooting copper-plated lead bullets in a Beretta 92FS.
Anyway, we all know that lead bullets aren't such a great idea in Glocks--neither are cheap, thinly copper-plated lead bullets...
I've had "A-Merc induced" jams in a Ruger P89 that was otherwise faultless, and a friend of mine had severe problems at a CHL qualification course trying to qualify using American ammo and a 1911A1 pistol.
I think a search of this site would turn up more. For example:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95810&highlight=american+ammo
This thread points out an important fact--most American Ammo bullets are not jacketed--they are thinly plated with copper. That means that they will lead almost as badly as a pure lead bullet. The worst leading problem I EVER encounted was as the result of shooting copper-plated lead bullets in a Beretta 92FS.
Anyway, we all know that lead bullets aren't such a great idea in Glocks--neither are cheap, thinly copper-plated lead bullets...
Thanks for the replies.From what little I've shot it(about 80rnds.)I really like it.Like someone mentioned I'm already invested so I'm gonna keep it and hope for the best.I will say from the cases I recovered after shooting that I have to look really close to see any bulging at all.It was WWB.
Edward429451
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But if anyone had taken my post to heart and NOT got a Glock, and instead got a 1911...would they really have made a bad decision??
In fairness, that I'm stuck with a gun that wasn't the best choice for me...Is is really a bad gun? Naw, I could've done worse. At least its not a Hi point or Jennings.
If I'da got a KKM barrel instead of the uber tactical 300 dollar laser, I'd be a happy camper, eh? I do like the trigger once I got used to it. Super short reset means pretty darn fast followup shots.
CZ52GUY
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Edward's Laser
Did you get the M6?
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
Did you get the M6?
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
Edward429451
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No, I got the Laser Devices Mdl BA2. It clamps around the front of the TG and makes the already blocky Glock even moreso. Good laser but not as useful as a decent barrel would've been.
Anybody need a laser? Fits G20's & 21's...Trade for KKM bbl? Hmmm?
Anybody need a laser? Fits G20's & 21's...Trade for KKM bbl? Hmmm?
CZ52GUY
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re: LDI tangent
LDI makes quality stuff, but you pay for it. My SP2009 has a proprietary light only made by them...fortunately I was able to trade some after market full caps and for me it was about $80 out of pocket...batteries are sometimes proprietary too (as is the case with mine).
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
LDI makes quality stuff, but you pay for it. My SP2009 has a proprietary light only made by them...fortunately I was able to trade some after market full caps and for me it was about $80 out of pocket...batteries are sometimes proprietary too (as is the case with mine).
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
Edward429451
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I know, me too. I gotta buy some under thingys for my Colt to make it uo to her. Prolly why she got made mad at me and broke her collet bushing.
RichardinNC
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"Glock .40's are very dangerous guns. They'll blow up if you use anything but factory hardball.
Send it to me postage paid and i'll make sure it's disposed of properly."
Very interesting. I've made the same exact offer on several forums for those hideous POS Kel-Tecs that people complain about. Offered 75% of what they paid and postage. No takers - not one.
Look - has anyone considered the percentage of the civilian and LEO market that Glock has? Other manufacturers would love to have the same market share. Are all these LEO's insane and do they have a death wish? I don't think so.
Glock owners send 1000's of rounds down range with few problems. Let's not buy into either the myth of "Glock Perfection" or the myth of the "Dangerous, Life Threatening Glock". Both are pure BS. No weapon is perfect and Glock's are different as are Kel-Tecs. If a Glock is not the weapon for some people then they should stay away from them. Same for Kel-Tecs - many people, including experienced shooters, find them too demanding and can not handle them. I appreciate comments based on fact but the comments based on hearsay and rumor are best left unsaid.
I own both Glock and Kel-Tec and have exactly zero (none, nada, zip) problems with them. Whenever Dean Whatshisname and some other "gun writer/experts" pull their heads out of their rear ends they will also see the light.
Send it to me postage paid and i'll make sure it's disposed of properly."
Very interesting. I've made the same exact offer on several forums for those hideous POS Kel-Tecs that people complain about. Offered 75% of what they paid and postage. No takers - not one.
Look - has anyone considered the percentage of the civilian and LEO market that Glock has? Other manufacturers would love to have the same market share. Are all these LEO's insane and do they have a death wish? I don't think so.
Glock owners send 1000's of rounds down range with few problems. Let's not buy into either the myth of "Glock Perfection" or the myth of the "Dangerous, Life Threatening Glock". Both are pure BS. No weapon is perfect and Glock's are different as are Kel-Tecs. If a Glock is not the weapon for some people then they should stay away from them. Same for Kel-Tecs - many people, including experienced shooters, find them too demanding and can not handle them. I appreciate comments based on fact but the comments based on hearsay and rumor are best left unsaid.
I own both Glock and Kel-Tec and have exactly zero (none, nada, zip) problems with them. Whenever Dean Whatshisname and some other "gun writer/experts" pull their heads out of their rear ends they will also see the light.
This is the one that will get cops. Cops are constantly loading and unloading the same two rounds over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Heck, I rotate my carry ammo more than most, and am more conscious of the condition of my ammo than many, and I put a lot of wear and tear on those two rounds.
No surprise that:
Wildly Popular Gun
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Twitchy Caliber for Bullet Setback
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Large group of minimally trained gunhandlers
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Scenario where ALL kBs! will be reported
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A rep for blowing up.
I would not worry at all.
Mike
walking arsenal
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phantomwarrior brought it to my attention the other day that the first 300 rounds he ran through his glock where a case of those cabelas reloads, lead bullets even(we didnt know any better) and guess what, its a G23.
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