GA Teen suspended for not hanging up on Mom in Iraq

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The teacher says the confrontation happened in a hallway, not outside, and that Francois never said the call was with his mother.
Wow, imagine that. He never said he was on the phone with mom in Iraq. I guess that sort of screws the "what kind of teacher would do such a thing?" crowd.

But Francois was suspended for cursing and being defiant, said Parham. That was extended to 10 because "he did not want to accept the three-day suspension and to agree that he would not use the cell phone openly or curse."
What? You mean he was suspended for cursing and being defiant, not for merely talking on the phone? I thought he was just an innocent kid who claimed to be talking to mother.

Parham said, however, that Francois' behavior at school has been "a chronic problem."
That isn't possible. This kid pisses red, white, and blue and is the next candidate to be teen USA. I would have never guessed he had been in trouble before.

And Francois added: "I'm not a golden child and I've been wrong, but I was right this time."
You see, it is ok to cuss out your teachers and administrators and generally throw a fit and demand your way. Everyone is doing it, why should this kid be wrong for it?

Following hundreds of angry phone calls and e-mails, school officials in this Army base city have reduced a suspension imposed on a student who wouldn't give up his cell phone while talking to his mom — a sergeant on duty in Iraq
I have one word for you, "ENABLERS!" Thank you America for teaching our students that if enough people butt their noses into someone else's business when they clearly don't understand what is going on, you can get away with whatever you want. That is right, the rules are only made for you if you can't convince everyone else you are a victim by cussing and being defiant.

Shame on everyone who took this student's side. He didn't even mention he was on the phone with his mother in Iraq and you all assumed it was a given fact. The liberals are not the only ones that can use knee-jerk reactions to their benefit. :barf:
 
1 party in a 2 party dispute says the kid didn't tell him it was his mother, that's different from the kid not saying it's his mother.

"But Francois was suspended for cursing and being defiant, said Parham. That was extended to 10 because "he did not want to accept the three-day suspension and to agree that he would not use the cell phone openly or curse."

The middle of an emotional confrontation just might not be the best place to expect calm measured and polite discussion of appropriate punishment with and of the party which is to be punished for the offence he is emotionally enraged about being punished for.


As for expectations and teaching, it may be worthwhile some weekend to sit down with a bottle of good scotch and write out a, I hate buzz words, but a mission statement. For instance one long-time economics teacher I had told us at the beginning of the semester that his main goal was to teach us to think. Of course by 2nd or 3rd year college that's not likely to succeed amongst brutal loads of information to transmit, but I think it's a good goal for earlier learning. I found that the farther I went in education the more jaded the professors were, the more convinced they were that there had been a 'dumbing down' of the populace, and the conviction was held by people across all demographic categories. Independent thought may just be the most noble ability to teach people, if nothing else.
 
rule #1 NO CELL PHONES IN SCHOOLS, PERIOD.

rule #2 DO NOT CUSS AT YOUR ELDERS

Parham said the teen's suspension was based on his reaction to the teacher's request. He said the teen used profanity when taken to the office.

Yes, his mother is in Iraq. Yes, that sucks and i am sympathetic to him and greatfull for the contribution of his mother. And NO that does not absolve him of any responsibility for his behavior. How can you possibly complain about the state of our schools and then say that we should NOT enforce basic behavioral/disciplinary rules on children? Half of the problems we have in this country are rooted in the fact that kids can get away with dang near anything they want. And you want to continue that?

The kid was a jerk, so he got suspended. This is news? And if the school was actually being politically correct, they would have let the call continue so that the media would have printed a bunch of glurge about how this school 'supports the troops'. Instead they took their responsibility as educators and actually enforced a rule that is entirely based on common sense, good for them.
 
Wow. Half of you want to wrap the kid in a flag and give him a halo while the other half want to paint him as a little monster.

I do not know, nor will I know, the full facts of this case. Therefore, I continue to believe that the school was probably justified in taking some type of disciplinary action against the kid. However, I CAN read the statements the school administrators made to the press and the additional news coverage only makes the school administration's actions smell worse.

In the first news article, the assistant principal was smug about "only" giving the kid a 10-day suspension rather than having him arrested and carted off to jail. In later articles, the assistant principal said he was forced to escalate to a 10-day suspension because the kid wouldn't take a 3-day suspension and promise to be good in the future.

I still contend that the assistant principal acted like a moron in his dealings with the press. His first statement of 'we could have been tougher but look how nice we were' just doesn't fit with the later statement of 'we tried to go easy on the kid but he forced our hand.'
 
Following hundreds of angry phone calls and e-mails, school officials in this Army base city have reduced a suspension imposed on a student who wouldn't give up his cell phone while talking to his mom — a sergeant on duty in Iraq

Reducing a suspension due to public pressure is not the right thing to do.
 
I always thought it'd be cool to have my high school in the paper or on the news, but damn. I think both sides have some blame in this; it's not like the kid got the call during class, but on the same token, he didn't really need to get belligerent with faculty just trying to do their jobs. I always thought the teachers sucked, until I made it out of high school and see from the outside what they really have to deal with on a daily basis. Bad form on both sides of the fence in this one, IMO. And if I recall correctly, with the curriculum set up the way it was when I was there, 10 days out is a crushing blow for the semester when only 3 or 5 sick days per semester are permitted for students.

Quintin Likely
Spencer High School, Class of 2000.
 
For everyone who contends that it is impossible to tell whether the kid was really talking to his mother, try looking at the 'calls received' list on any cellphone.

Really? What is mom's number in Iraq? My guess that if there is a number that comes up on the caller ID that it is a number in the US from whatever service is providing the coms from Iraq to the US. I would guess that mom, if actually calling, wasn't calling from a gas station pay phone. Sorry, but the number on the phone concept probably doesn't hold true here and even if it did, none of us have confirmation that the kid was talking to his mother.

I am still amazed at the number of you who believe the disorderly kid was talking to him mom in Iraq simply because he claims it to be true. Given that the kid breaks the rules and was breaking the rules before actually receiving the call, why would you believe he is telling the truth? Don't you think if it really happened that way that some media savvy person would call one of the affiliates in Iraq and search out the mother soldier for comment? What does she have to say about her son cussing out his teacher while on the phone with her? Does she think his behavior was appropriate?

Sorry guys, but until somebody actually confirms that he was actually talking to his mother, sources other than the boy (such as the mom), then my guess is that most of you are falling victim to false patriotic crap and mother's day sentiment.

The kid is telling a story to get out of being in trouble, nothing more.
 
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For everyone who contends that it is impossible to tell whether the kid was really talking to his mother, try looking at the 'calls received' list on any cellphone.​
Really? What is mom's number in Iraq? My guess that if there is a number that comes up on the caller ID that it is a number in the US from whatever service is providing the coms from Iraq to the US. I would guess that mom, if actually calling, wasn't calling from a gas station pay phone. Sorry, but the number on the phone concept probably doesn't hold true here and even if it did, none of us have confirmation that the kid was talking to his mother..
You are correct that I did not think that the phone's call list would show a number with a 964 prefix. But the call list would show a specific number, which would be a concrete point from which to start a factual investigation rather than getting involved in a he_said/she_said debate.
The kid is telling a story to get out of being in trouble, nothing more.
We don't know all of the facts in this situation and most probably never will.
 
It's pretty obvious the kid was violating school policy by having a cellphone conversation during school hours. The fact that it was lunch doesn't change anything. When I was in school they wouldn't have called the cops but he would be sitting on pillows for a week for lipping off to a teacher.
 
Zero policy thinking will never amount to anything and will only result in the rebellion of its captors.

Compassion and understanding has been forgotten.

I used to think teachers were the unsung heros of the world. I was suspended a half dozen times in my school career and if not for the teachers, I would have never graduated.
After getting married and raising kids thru the public school system and having to deal with academia on an adult level, my view has changed in dealing with our peticular school system here.

Apathy, incompetence, no imagination, abound in this school system.
The only thing on teachers minds is getting paid more.

Students are suspended for minor infractions of stupid rules that the tax payers do not even get to vote on. They are instituted by people that have long academic careers with no practical experience in dealing with the public and afraid of their own shadows.
Teachers used to be free thinkers and pushed to expand your mind. Not anymore.

Anyone with any sense knows a 17 year old boy who had his mother taken away from him, is traumatic to say the least. We do not know what this boy thinks about the war, we don't know what his situation at home is, we can only imagine that he is waiting for a phone call to tell him his mother has been killed.
Now he gets a call from his mother and some person wants to take that away from him and he responds with vulgarity? What a surprise.

Yes the person may not have known who he was talking too, but the way to handle the situation would have been to let him finish the call and discuss the problem then.

The problem with that was, by God someone broke the rules and they must adhere and pay the consequences.

As an employer with many employees, jumping in somebodys face when there is a problem don't work.
Discussing the situation and working it out, yes takes time, yes is a pain in the butt, but it leads to a better work environment for everyone.

Those who take advantage are let go, but are individuals and are treated as such.
 
Well the pundits are weighing in....

Note how one exception to a rule dooms it to death by a thousand cuts....And I thought the boys was suspended....the writer seems to think he was arrested...I guess they don't have fact checkers any more... :scrutiny:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...04695978C2A12B5B8625700000320AC4?OpenDocument
SCHOOL POLICY: Calls for concern?
By CHRIS J. KRISINGER


05/13/2005

From the instant the cell phone rang in the hallway of Spencer High School in Columbus, Ga., last week, officials seemed to be in an awkward position. A 17-year-old junior, Kevin Francois, was violating established policy banning cell phone use on campus during school time, but - here's the twist - it was his mother on the line, a soldier from nearby Fort Benning calling from Iraq.

When a teacher told him to hang up, Francois refused. A heated exchange followed, and he was escorted to the principal's office, where assistant principals tried to calm him down. School officials subsequently suspended Francois for 10 days, not for cell phone use, but for his "defiant and disorderly" behavior during the emotionally charged, profanity-laced confrontation with school administrators.

After the incident hit the news wires, hundreds of angry e-mails and phone calls to the school followed. At one point, the situation got so bad that the school reportedly took its phones off the hook. Following a meeting involving the boy, his guardian and school officials, the school district reduced the suspension to three days. He's now back in school.

So far, coverage of and commentary about the incident have portrayed school officials as the "bad guys." School administrators appeared insensitive and heavy-handed for not making an exception to established policy because it was his mom, Sgt. 1st Class Monique Bates, calling from Iraq. The teenager has been quoted as saying, "I was right by not hanging up my phone," and the public's reaction has appeared sympathetic and forgiving of his unruly behavior.

Hold the phone. This episode of "U.S. Modernity 2005" is worth a few rollover minutes of further discussion. It's more complex than "For God's sake, it's 'Mom' calling from Iraq," and the school's position deserves more attention, if for no other reason than that, one way or another, this cell phone call is coming to a school near you.

Cell phones are a major issue on high school and college campuses. Policies adopted by many schools, including the one in Columbus, allow students to have cell phones on campus, but they must be turned off during school hours.

The rule applies basic common sense to the challenges of preserving instructional time, avoiding distraction and maintaining classroom decorum. It's applied with the same "zero tolerance" approach taken with drugs and weapons. Making one exception risks "death by a thousand paper cuts."

Kevin Francois is not the first teenager forced to cope with a military parent's overseas deployment to a combat zone - post 9/11 or otherwise - but he may be among a very few nearly arrested because of it.

Consider that more than 3,700 other students from military families are enrolled in the Muscogee school district serving Fort Benning, an Army post that has been sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001. Under its well-understood policy, Spencer High School students are to take personal calls from overseas military parents in school offices, not classrooms or halls.

Is Francois' mother's tour in Iraq so out-of-the-ordinary that an exception should have been made for her cell phone call? What about another family member in Iraq; a cousin, say, or an uncle? Do they all merit exceptions, too?

All of which leads to a final point: What about Kevin Francois' behavior? What about the profanity and defiance he directed at school personnel? Is he not accountable for his actions? (Remember, his suspension was not for using the cell phone.)

Each of us, at various points in our life, will encounter crises - bad news, a disappointment, a decision that doesn't go our way - in school, business, career or health. Our responses reveal our character.

What's really the best way for schools to handle cell phone calls like Francois'? How should students, families, school officials and even the public react next time? Because there will be a next time, whether it involves a parent in Iraq or something else.

It might be worth a call to talk it over with someone.

E-mail: [email protected].

Air Force Col. Chris J. Krisinger is the father of two teenage boys. A Midwesterner who transferred from Scott Air Force base earlier this year, he currently is stationed at the Pentagon. The views expressed here are his alone and do not represent government policy.
 
Under its well-understood policy, Spencer High School students are to take personal calls from overseas military parents in school offices, not classrooms or halls.

I think that right there shows that the kid was in the wrong.

Still mad that they lightened his suspension due to public pressure, though.
 
Like some I think there was more to his and the hyped up media story. Didn't he call the medias himself? Personally think he's a very intelligent but smartassed and spoiled kid used to having his own way and playing the "My Mommy's in Iraq" to the hilt. Why did this call have to be made at this particular time? There are a few bad teachers but there are more instances of kids and their parents that make a good teacher's job much more difficult, the parents thinking their little darlings can do no wrong. And grab or hit a teacher? A good way to wind up in a detention center or at least Juvenile court. Funny how most kids never get involved in things like this aint it??
 
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