I dunno, this story sounds too much like a movie to me. If I was lucky enough to distract the guy like that (remembering he is holding a loaded gun on me), I think I would just have shot him instead of grabbing his mag and trying to scare him and all that. When it's life or death I wouldn't risk it.
"Gangsta"! firearm buysers/shooters
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sturmruger
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Thanks a lot guys I was laughing so hard I spit pepsi all over my desk!!
I think it is great that so many gangstas are bad shots. That means if any of us ever get into a shootout witt one of them we will be the favorite to come out alive. The story about the cop in TN is really sad. It might be a .25 but it still has a good chance of making you dead if it hits you in the right spot.
Brad you story was by far the best!!
I think it is great that so many gangstas are bad shots. That means if any of us ever get into a shootout witt one of them we will be the favorite to come out alive. The story about the cop in TN is really sad. It might be a .25 but it still has a good chance of making you dead if it hits you in the right spot.
Brad you story was by far the best!!
mfree
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Yeah, don't forget that an ice pick is what, .125 caliber, and only 6" of penetration or so?
even a teeny hole in your aorta, vena cava, pericardium, heart muscle, etc. etc. will make for a bad day...
even a teeny hole in your aorta, vena cava, pericardium, heart muscle, etc. etc. will make for a bad day...
cls12vg30
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That's why I'm actually grateful every time I see a pistol from Jennings/Bryco/Lorcin/Raven, and more recently Cobra, the newest iteration of the unkillable Davis Industries monster. I see them in shops, pawnshops, shows, etc. I'm glad they're there, I'm glad they're so cheap, I'm glad the people who buy them buy them, they're likely to either be bangers themselves or to live in a situation where the gun will promptly be stolen by one. The bangers are going to be armed. If I have to face one, PLEASE GOD, let him be armed with a Bryco .25, and let him be holding it sideways.
Not to totally disparage .25, I have a Beretta 21A in .25 myself, I wanted a pocket BUG on the cheap and I got it for a song. I don't carry it anymore, I have a P32 for that duty now, but I still have and occasionally shoot the Beretta because it's fun & reliable, I like the innovative tip-up design, and it's the most accurate gun I've ever shot for short-range sightless point-shooting.
My favorite thing to see a gangsta do in the movies is hold a pistol not just sideways, but almost upside down, held high over his head, pointing down at his target. I love that. I hope if I am ever in a bad situation the perp takes his cue from such movies. That way I'm guaranteed my shots won't get held up by his gun arm on their way to COM.
Not to totally disparage .25, I have a Beretta 21A in .25 myself, I wanted a pocket BUG on the cheap and I got it for a song. I don't carry it anymore, I have a P32 for that duty now, but I still have and occasionally shoot the Beretta because it's fun & reliable, I like the innovative tip-up design, and it's the most accurate gun I've ever shot for short-range sightless point-shooting.
My favorite thing to see a gangsta do in the movies is hold a pistol not just sideways, but almost upside down, held high over his head, pointing down at his target. I love that. I hope if I am ever in a bad situation the perp takes his cue from such movies. That way I'm guaranteed my shots won't get held up by his gun arm on their way to COM.
I usually get a little PO'ed leaving local gun shops because of the rude idiots behind the counters and their rip off prices.
I always thought it would be nice if I had the money to open my own gun shop and run it "right" (well my version of right anyway
). That was until one day I was in one of the smaller local shops and then these two young wigger-gangsta wannabes walked in talking their BS and I realized right there why some of these gun shop owners might be jerks and why I could never run one 
I always thought it would be nice if I had the money to open my own gun shop and run it "right" (well my version of right anyway
). That was until one day I was in one of the smaller local shops and then these two young wigger-gangsta wannabes walked in talking their BS and I realized right there why some of these gun shop owners might be jerks and why I could never run one Crosshair
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I certianly hope the bad guy's don't have Hi-Points. From talking to people buying ammo at work (Wal-Mart) Hi-Point seems to have fixed their Quality Control problems that earned them a bad name years ago.
I had a customer take out their pistol at the counter and ask for the correct ammo, co-worker nearly dived for cover, everyone around just stared at him. I look at it and say with a straight face, "K, it's a 9mm (Hi-Point), here are the kinds of ammo we have, what kind would you like?" He ended up buying 200 rounds of (plinking) ammo and a box of clay pigions to go plinking with. He had it in a plastic case with a trigger lock on it so I don't know why everyone was so peaked. Oh well, I guess there is a reason why I am known as the "gun guy" at work. The guy was thinking about buying the pistol from a friend. It was a recent production and in nice shape. The guy bought the pistol and came in later to buy more ammo. I have talked to customers with the 45 Auto and the 9mm Carbine. All of them have had great experience with the Hi-Points.
/Funny thing is that I (am soposed to) work in Paint/Hardware across from Sporting Goods.
I had a customer take out their pistol at the counter and ask for the correct ammo, co-worker nearly dived for cover, everyone around just stared at him. I look at it and say with a straight face, "K, it's a 9mm (Hi-Point), here are the kinds of ammo we have, what kind would you like?" He ended up buying 200 rounds of (plinking) ammo and a box of clay pigions to go plinking with. He had it in a plastic case with a trigger lock on it so I don't know why everyone was so peaked. Oh well, I guess there is a reason why I am known as the "gun guy" at work. The guy was thinking about buying the pistol from a friend. It was a recent production and in nice shape. The guy bought the pistol and came in later to buy more ammo. I have talked to customers with the 45 Auto and the 9mm Carbine. All of them have had great experience with the Hi-Points.
/Funny thing is that I (am soposed to) work in Paint/Hardware across from Sporting Goods.
ScorpioVI
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Yea right.
Brian41
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When i was getting finger printed for my CCW at the Dekalb County PD in Atlanta, i was waiting in line behind a gentleman who was louldly expressing his frustration (through his gold teeth) with having to wait in line to get fingerprinted for his permit...atleast i think thats waht he was comlaining about... it was hard to understand....
needless to say, i was glad that i would be getting my CCW the same time as him, and not after. .... since then i've been a firm supporter of the great state of GA requiring qualifying tests and handgun training courses for ther CCW permits... i know i could pass them, and i know they would stop ceartain people from getting their CCW
needless to say, i was glad that i would be getting my CCW the same time as him, and not after. .... since then i've been a firm supporter of the great state of GA requiring qualifying tests and handgun training courses for ther CCW permits... i know i could pass them, and i know they would stop ceartain people from getting their CCW
The guy might have been perfectly OK. Maybe a little socially awkward.
But you bring up a good point. A lot of people on this board and elsewhere always want "Vermont-style" carry, i.e. no special licensing. I can never quite get myself to go for that one. I have seen a lot of people in gun stores and out who really have no business with guns. I'm pretty happy with how things are in TN as it stands. If you put a certain amount of difficulty in people's way it will tend to weed out those you wouldnt want carrying anyway.
But you bring up a good point. A lot of people on this board and elsewhere always want "Vermont-style" carry, i.e. no special licensing. I can never quite get myself to go for that one. I have seen a lot of people in gun stores and out who really have no business with guns. I'm pretty happy with how things are in TN as it stands. If you put a certain amount of difficulty in people's way it will tend to weed out those you wouldnt want carrying anyway.
Just Saturday
A three local homeeez came in, one asking for a "clip for my 38 special". I intellegently replied, "hunh?", and asked him to repeat that. Yup. A clip for my 38 special.
Okay...., um" it is an autoloader?".
"yeah, a 38 special like that one on the wall." (a Springfield P9)
"In 38 special?"
"yeah, just get me a clip foe a regular 38 special." He looked at me like I was stupid.
"Do you know the make?"
"Naw"
"Model?"
"Just a Special."
His buddies had abandoned their civil eyed act and were now staring at me like my rot does another dog when it pees on his tire.
I've gotten over my surprise of being asked about a "clip for my 38 special" and was starting to have fun at his expense. His pals saw it, but he didn't.
I finally said the 'clip' has to be matched to the gun, make, model and serial number and wouldn't he please bring it in? He won't, but I'm on good terms with the Sheriff's office to run the serial number if he does.
He then asked about an AK-47 and what it took to buy one. Lost interest when I said something about a "full FBI background check."
A three local homeeez came in, one asking for a "clip for my 38 special". I intellegently replied, "hunh?", and asked him to repeat that. Yup. A clip for my 38 special.
Okay...., um" it is an autoloader?".
"yeah, a 38 special like that one on the wall." (a Springfield P9)
"In 38 special?"
"yeah, just get me a clip foe a regular 38 special." He looked at me like I was stupid.
"Do you know the make?"
"Naw"
"Model?"
"Just a Special."
His buddies had abandoned their civil eyed act and were now staring at me like my rot does another dog when it pees on his tire.
I've gotten over my surprise of being asked about a "clip for my 38 special" and was starting to have fun at his expense. His pals saw it, but he didn't.
I finally said the 'clip' has to be matched to the gun, make, model and serial number and wouldn't he please bring it in? He won't, but I'm on good terms with the Sheriff's office to run the serial number if he does.
He then asked about an AK-47 and what it took to buy one. Lost interest when I said something about a "full FBI background check."
KONY
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Sorry but I must respectfully disagree with you gents. To me, you guys are preaching more "gun control" ... this would be a step backwards and we certainly don't need more of this ANYWHERE. If a person passes a criminal/mental health background check, let them buy a gun and let Darwin handle the rest. One of our forum members (bogie) just created a thread about selling t-shirts with a very important message (though backwards). In case you didn't see it, here it is ...peacefuljeffrey
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KONY stated part of what I feel about the earlier posts. It is not in keeping with our typical stated position about the unconstitutionality of government-stewardship of our right to keep and bear arms, to advocate that it continue to be given out as the government sees fit.
Now, let's assume that we are counting on testing to keep "homey" from obtaining a CCW permit.
Is failure to pass the test and obtain the permit really going to stop him from carrying a gun?! How many shootings can you cite in which the murderer fired a gun he was legally licensed to carry a gun you would prefer he had not been licensed to carry?
I don't think that bureaucratic hurdles have kept one "banger" from carrying a gun and saved a single life. We are talking about people who are willing to commit murder. Denial of a pistol permit will keep them from going around with a Jennings tucked into the waistband?! Come on, people, let's think a little deeper about this than the average HCI spokesman would, okay? 
-Jeffrey
Now, let's assume that we are counting on testing to keep "homey" from obtaining a CCW permit.
Is failure to pass the test and obtain the permit really going to stop him from carrying a gun?! How many shootings can you cite in which the murderer fired a gun he was legally licensed to carry a gun you would prefer he had not been licensed to carry?
I don't think that bureaucratic hurdles have kept one "banger" from carrying a gun and saved a single life. We are talking about people who are willing to commit murder. Denial of a pistol permit will keep them from going around with a Jennings tucked into the waistband?!
Come on, people, let's think a little deeper about this than the average HCI spokesman would, okay? -Jeffrey
KONY
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Exactly the point I wanted to express but stated far more eloquently.
Otisimo
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One time at band camp....
Control Group
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*shrug*
Sounds legit to me. Now, if you had said you were a woman...
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just once...was shooting at an indoor range not really noticing anything going on in the next lane when all of a sudden I heard these screams and yelling. stopped, dropped the mag,locked the slide back and set my gun on the shelf. Looked over... a hot shell casing from an auto they were shooting musta flipped up and went right down the girlfriends top. between the 2 of them yelling and the young lady frantically grabbing to get it out, its a wonder anybody could shoot at all that afternoon.
I see this a lot. People somehow assume that because they're trained and proficient in firearms they will prevail in any encounter with someone less well trained. The recent shooting in Tyler should put paid to that notion.
How many muggings were avoided because the potential perp couldnt find a gun? How many domestic violence scenarios did not end in homicide because one of the parties wasnt together enough to have a gun around? I dont know and neither does anyone else. You cannot prove a negative. But the proposition that gun laws (or any other type) have no effect on behavior because someone will always violate them is not tenable.
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The Rabbi,
How does simply licensing handgun carry affect the availability of weapons for a criminal? Seriously, I can't see the connection there. If we started talking about background checks to buy and restricting handgun sales, then I could see it. But if he already has the gun, how does denying him a permit to carry prevent him from getting one?
How does simply licensing handgun carry affect the availability of weapons for a criminal? Seriously, I can't see the connection there. If we started talking about background checks to buy and restricting handgun sales, then I could see it. But if he already has the gun, how does denying him a permit to carry prevent him from getting one?
Control Group
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You know, I was composing a long, detailed response to your post, Rabbi, then I remembered our last conversation. I'm fairly certain this one would end up in a fundamental disagreement, as well, so I'm not going to bother.
HOWEVER
I will, however, ask about the following:
HOWEVER
I will, however, ask about the following:
Really? If one can't prove a negative, how does one prove that one can't prove a negative?
KONY
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Rabbi, I am still having trouble making the connection between your statement (quoted above) and the statement I made about "gun control". Please explain further because, right now, it sounds like you're saying that the recent shooting in Tyler could have been prevented by tougher training standards??
... if so, still sounds like more "gun control" talk to me.Ummm ... see "gun control" statement above. Like anything else related to firearms, proper firearms training is a personal responsibility. We don't need the gov't to tell us what type and how much training we need to have BEFORE we are allowed to exercise our RIGHT (see 2nd Amendment as it say says nothing about "priviledge") to bear arms. Also, please note that my use of captialization is to denote EMPHASIS, not HOSTILITY.
I was responding to the statement that Darwin would take care of things. The lesson I got from Tyler is that Darwin doesnt work all the time. There, a well trained shooter lost his life to a creep. So the supposition I see here that because we are well trained and well armed we will prevail in any fight is wrong.
It doesnt. But there are plenty of people who are not criminals but nontheless have no idea what they are doing (this thread has provided some amusing stories about many of them). Requiring licensing standards prevents at least some of them from carrying legally.
As far as 2A, since the requirements are promulgated by the states, not the federals government the 2A is irrelevant.
Justin
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Neither is the concept of passing laws that cannot be proven to have a positive statistical effect. If a law cannot be proven to have had an effect on the situation it is applied to, then there is no point in that law existing.
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