It's no different than a car. What if his Dad dies? He will likely need a signed bill-of-sale to document that transaction until he turns 21 at which they can pound sand.
Unless it's a caliber that's also used in long guns. He can then purchase, or borrow, a long gun of the same caliber and truthfully say the ammunition is for use in a rifle. The law does not prohibit the sale based on the caliber, it prohibits the sale based on the type of firearm in which the ammunition will be used. The BATFE FAQ specifically addresses this, in questions F6 and F7.You are going to need someone 21 or over to buy ammunition.
Federal law restricts sales of ammunition for handguns to age 21 and over.
Even at the range, even at Wally world.
Unless it's a caliber that's also used in long guns. He can then purchase, or borrow, a long gun of the same caliber and truthfully say the ammunition is for use in a rifle. The law does not prohibit the sale based on the caliber, it prohibits the sale based on the type of firearm in which the ammunition will be used. The BATFE FAQ specifically addresses this, in questions F6 and F7.
It's the type of firearm. I'd say good time to start handloading, but then even bullet sales are restricted by the age limits. You can cast your own bullets, but that is a lot of headaches to get around it. Straw purchase does apply to bullet and ammunition sales too, not just firearms.prohibiting me from buying handgun ammo is insane! I have a friend who stockpiles and will let me buy it off of him so I'm all set.
What about 9mm ar15's? What about bushmaster pistols that are .556? what about 22lr that is both handgun and pistol? What a crappy law!
Federal law is 21yo from a licensed dealer. State law can dictate otherwise from private parties. In most states you can buy a handgun from an individual (non-FFL) at 18yo, but if you buy from an FFL, you must be 21.I believe you can posses pistol ammo at 18, but you cant buy it.
He's asking about ammunition, not handguns.freakshow10mm said:Federal law is 21yo from a licensed dealer. State law can dictate otherwise from private parties. In most states you can buy a handgun from an individual (non-FFL) at 18yo, but if you buy from an FFL, you must be 21.
So, for ammunition the determining factor is not what caliber it is, but what type of firearm it will be used in. I agree, Wal-Mart may choose to play it safe and simply not sell anything that COULD be used in a handgun to buyers under 21. However, that's not a Wal-Mart corporate policy. I have seen clerks at local Wal-Marts sell pistol ammo to people under 21 when the buyer explained they were going to shoot it in a rifle. I suppose there may be some gun stores that would take the "safe" route, but it's hard to imagine. There is no 4473 for ammo sales. As long as they ask the question and get a satisfactory answer, they can't be nailed for violating the law. The law doesn't require them to physically inspect the buyer's pistol-caliber carbine before selling the ammo to an 18-year old.(F6) Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee? [Back]
Yes. Under the GCA, long guns and long gun ammunition may be sold only to persons 18 years of age or older. Sales of handguns and ammunition for handguns are limited to persons 21 years of age and older. Although some State and local ordinances have lower age requirements, dealers are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA. If State law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age, the dealer must observe the higher age requirement.
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]
(F7) May a licensee sell interchangeable ammunition such as .22 cal. rimfire to a person less than 21 years old? [Back]
Yes, provided the buyer is 18 years of age or older, and the dealer is satisfied that it is for use in a rifle. If the ammunition is intended for use in a handgun, the 21-year-old minimum age requirement is applicable.
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]
The GCA applies to both firearms AND ammunition. The limits are the same for a dealer of both firearms and ammunition. I'm a licensed ammunition manufacturer and licensed firearm manufacturer/dealer. I'm well aware of the laws pertaining to this issue.(F6) Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee? [Back]
Yes. Under the GCA, long guns and long gun ammunition may be sold only to persons 18 years of age or older. Sales of handguns and ammunition for handguns are limited to persons 21 years of age and older. Although some State and local ordinances have lower age requirements, dealers are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA. If State law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age, the dealer must observe the higher age requirement.
[18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1), 27 CFR 478.99(b)]
No, it's not different than a car and registration has not entered into the discussion. The gun, the car, some quality knives, refrigerators, welders and a million other things have serial numbers. If you buy or sell ANYTHING with a serial number, it is advisable to get a bill-of-sale to protect both of you. If you purchased a gun from a dealer and then sell that gun to someone without a receipt and they go out and kill someone with it, it's gonna come back on you. It actually will come back to you either way but without that receipt, you have little or no recourse unless you have credible witnesses. If you buy a gun from someone and it is connected in some way to a crime or it is stolen, it will make things very difficult for you without a paper trail of some kind. No, you don't HAVE to, but it is strongly advised. No, that has nothing to do with registration.It is different than a car. A gun does not have to be registered to anyone, YET.
His age makes no difference as long as he is legal and he is legal. The 21 age requirement is only for new gun purchases. So, currently they can "pound sand."
At this point, since he is of legal age to have a firearm, it is no different than a knife.
Yes sir, I know many of those myself and most of us have matured with nothing happening but the fact remains that if your Dad had died when you were 16 years old and you happened to get caught by certain select individuals with a handgun (or any other gun for that matter), you could have gone through a considerable amount of inconvenience without some proof as to where you got the guns.Well, I know someone who's father gave him 2 handguns when he was between 13 and 16 years old. Of course that was over 30 years ago.
Daddy is gone now , but I still have those two revolvers.
This is true and to go even further, as an FFL, we cannot legally sell RIFLE ammo to someone under 21 IF we have reason to believe that that ammo is going to be used in a handgun.A private individual that is not a firearm or ammunition dealer can sell handgun ammunition to a person at least 18yrs old but less than 21yrs old IF their state allows it. I'm an FFL; I cannot sell pistol ammunition to a person 18yo, even from my private stash, because I'm an ammunition manufacturer. My wife, being a non-dealer, may sell to a person 18yo.
Yes sir, I know many of those myself and most of us have matured with nothing happening but the fact remains that if your Dad had died when you were 16 years old and you happened to get caught by certain select individuals with a handgun (or any other gun for that matter), you could have gone through a considerable amount of inconvenience without some proof as to where you got the guns.
I have a question. What if you are 19 years old and you live in a state that does not issue permits for those under 21, but you apply for a non-resident permit in another state (which does allow carry for those 18+), and it has a reciprocal agreement with your home state? Would that be a legitimate way to carry at 19 in a state that does not issue permits for those under 21?
No, it's not different than a car and registration has not entered into the discussion. The gun, the car, some quality knives, refrigerators, welders and a million other things have serial numbers. If you buy or sell ANYTHING with a serial number, it is advisable to get a bill-of-sale to protect both of you. If you purchased a gun from a dealer and then sell that gun to someone without a receipt and they go out and kill someone with it, it's gonna come back on you. It actually will come back to you either way but without that receipt, you have little or no recourse unless you have credible witnesses. If you buy a gun from someone and it is connected in some way to a crime or it is stolen, it will make things very difficult for you without a paper trail of some kind. No, you don't HAVE to, but it is strongly advised. No, that has nothing to do with registration.
Having said that I gave my daughter a Smith 19 for her 15th B day. Screw the fascists.