pacodelahoya
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Why don't they just ban global warming? It should work about as good as banning guns right?
The climates of the earth have always been changing, and they will doubtless continue to do so in the future. How large these future changes will be, and where and how rapidly they will occur, we do not know.
"...we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate...".
not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.
From the body of evidence since IPCC (1996), we conclude that there has been a discernible human influence on global climate. Studies are beginning to separate the contributions to observed climate change attributable to individual external influences, both anthropogenic and natural. This work suggests that anthropogenic greenhouse gases are a substantial contributor to the observed warming, especially over the past 30 years. However, the accuracy of these estimates continues to be limited by uncertainties in estimates of internal variability, natural and anthropogenic forcing, and the climate response to external forcing.
In the light of new evidence and taking into account the remaining uncertainties, most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations
I don't think the science is there, and I don't think we really know what is happening.
"...we do not have a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does not seem possible to predict climate...".
So we see another oft-repeated skeptic argument disproved by the facts. Surely a pattern should be emerging here?
My point was, and is, that a lot of folks are substituting hyperbole for data, rhetoric for scientific method, socialist political tricks for debate, and ad-hominem attacks for standing.
The Earth's climate has always been in a state of change and will continue to change. Sometimes there have been very rapid changes even before anyone was burning fossil fuels and there have been mass extinctions bringing on changes in the food chain, No matter what man does the climate WILL change and one day in the futrue will no longer be able to support life. Enter the socialists and their king Al Gore with his Kyoto treaty here to save us all from ourselves. Pay no attention to that big bright thing in the sky whcih is getting hotter we must join the UN, Hillary and all of Europe to bring about a socialist paradise and save the planet. The socialists and collectivists WILL use any means fair or unfair (including character assination and outright lies about their opponents) to accomplish their ends. Don't doubt they will scarf up any issue and use it to promote their cause. That is what the GW thing is about nothing more than a propaganda campaign pushed by the EVIL United Nations. For those of you swallowing it hook, line and sinker congradulations on being duped!
Are the same people who are saying that those who deny the 'truth of global warming' are equatable with Holocaust deniers.
Are the same people who are saying that anyone who disagrees with the party line should be thrown out of the profession
Are the same people who are saying that skeptics are either tools of big oil, or just stupid.
Are the same people who have re-defined concensus to be 'everyone on this side of the debate agrees with me, whats' wrong with the rest of you?'
You're just saying this for fun, right?
Your conclusion that global warming is a serious climatological trend, definitely caused by man, is more religion than science.
Your debating skills could use some improvement.
Added Lindzan about the whole global warming scare, "I think it's mainly just like little kids locking themselves in dark closets to see how much they can scare each other and themselves."
Agricola, forgive me if this statement sounded like a scoff to me
[Focus on this: For the average man and woman of this country, there comes a point when climate change advocacy starts to smell an awful lot like an Inquisition, like a witch hunt, like a coordinated persecution of climate change "infidels" (i.e., non-believers). If the average person has doubts about climate change because of how it is being defended, then don't blame us skeptics --/QUOTE]
I'm about as average as you can get, and that is exactly where I'm at.
longrifleman said:I'm about as average as you can get, and that is exactly where I'm at.
Doesn't sit well withQuote:
Are the same people who are saying that those who deny the 'truth of global warming' are equatable with Holocaust deniers.
The only people who are making the comparison are skeptics themselves.
Yes, some commentators (albeit ones that are largely irrelevant) have equated skeptics with holocaust deniers.
Foriegndude,
Which is yet another bunch of straw-men from yourself.
Yes. GW is being questioned. The questioners (hereinafter known as 'skeptics') are being villified by GW adherents. They are subjected to ridicule and threat. I believe that was my position to start with. Are you now saying you were against it, before you were for it?Finally you make a whole load of nonsense statements that suggest that GW isnt being questioned, or tested, or challenged - it is, and its entirely false for you to suggest that it isnt (though this is of course something you did on the other thread).