Going into battle: I'll take . . .

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I hear a lot of bad talk about the M9 either because of the gun or because of the 9mm.

I want to know what you would choose if you were going to Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever. What gun and what caliber and why?

Everybody has an opinion and I was wondering what would come out as the most mentioned.

I'm a 9mm lover, but when it comes to ball or FMJ ammo both 9mm and .45 penetrate enough (.45 230 gr was something like 25 inches, 9mm 124 gr was like 29") so you might as well go with .45. I also think 9mm and .45 are the easiest to shoot. I know the 9mm would be easier to find ammo for than the .45 but I guess I'd just make sure I stocked up enough when I had the chance.

As for the gun I'd go with a Glock 21sf or HK USP. I wouldn't want anything to do with a gun with full length guide rails because they're so much more likely to jam up when dirty than insert guides like the HK or Glock. Both designs are time tested and great in adverse conditions.

Your turn.
 
BTDT - had a BHP. 9mmP ammo is easy to find there - .45acp is as scarce as rocking-horse s**t

If I went nowadays, it would be a Glock (and I generally dislike Glocks).

Our joke - sorta - went something like this: Rifles are for fighting, pistols are for suicide at the point of capture.
 
1911 .45

Cause I KNOW that 9mm ball SUX for taking down Haji's, the 1911 allows superior handling, and I have confidenace in the .45.
 
You'd rely on the military for your ammo-supply? Ye gods... :D

Btw, no offence implied on my comments - I'm also a .45 fan. I just found that actually being there and seeing logistics-issues re ammo, parts, etc forced me to re-evaluate my options.
 
Going into battle? I'd take whatever issue weapon is given to me.

Seriously, this question is silly since I'd be carrying a long-arm and worrying about more important items for my kit, like if I have any quik-clot.

Pistol is low down on my priority list.

Pistols are side-arms meant for self-defense, not a battlefield weapon.
 
I am a 1911 fanatic, but given your conditions, I'd take a Glock 9mm. It will always work, is fairly light, and I could scrounge ammo anywhere.

And my MBR would be an M14, or course :)
 
As a wiseass, I would stick with a m9 for fear of standing out during all those quiet moments where potential insurgents might be sizing you up before something goes down.

what i would do, however, is bring my own AMMO. Stuck with ball ammo, both 9mm and .45 both are...well... not anywhere near as good as 9mm with quality SD ammo.

and then bring extra ammo, lots of it, because there isn't that much of a point loading yourself out if the people covering your @ss don't also have better ammo IMO.

But take this all with an appropriate grain of salt....... I rate myself about 2 steps removed from mall-ninjadom.
 
I agree with CWL, I would rather carry a couple frags, med kit, or a couple extra mags of those beautiful 77gr noslers for of all things an m-16 or m-4. I think it was Patton who said: The best use of a pistol in war is to fight your way back to a rifle. but he had a pair of nickeled SAA's with Ivory handles, I guess if I had to have a pistol or two they would be nice to keep in my footlocker.
 
Interesting this should come up,

I was having this conversation the other day with my platoon, about half of them have been, and the other half are going, (Afgahanistan,) (I have about 18 months of training coming,) and my plt sgt said when he goes back, he is taking his USP .45. I asked, "What about JAG measuring bullet holes, smuggling in your own ammo, etc.?" He said he could have taken it before, and wished he had it BADLY. If that means taking it and leaving it there because customs won't let it back in the country, so be it. Consider it a safety investment and get a new one at home.

I asked if I should take my 1911, he said, "Don't take yours, take 500 rds of 230 gr FMJ, and look for a guy who is about to leave who wants to get rid of one because he can't take it home, and use that one. Sell it to a new guy when you are about to leave."

CWL -HERE'S THE PROBLEM. If you are in a position where you actually NEED to use a sidearm, the one they issue you shoots the worst PD round that comes to mind. You don't want to be pointing that beat-up Beretta loaded with 115 gr fmj at a charging bad guy when ALL OF YOUR OTHER WEAPONS AND SUPPORT HAVE EITHER FAILED OR ARE INEFFECTIVE, and have your last thought be: "I sure hope I can hit this charging haji in the spine, because that's the only way I know this will stop him." If your sidearm is your last method of defense, it must be the best.
 
Going into battle: I'll take . . .

A detour?
The long way around?
A different flight?

Sorry... an old fat man like me? I'm staying as far from a firefight as possible.

Were I unexpectedly dumped into a battle situation, I'm with Bill... in the tank :) A handgun is far from the first thing I'd worry about in that situation. Cover would be right at the top, then perhaps a vehicle mounted weapon and a good secure firing position...
 
If I am down to fighting with my sidearm, I would take a radio and coordinates for a close drop airstrike. :evil:
 
mjdeckard,
While I prefer 1911 .45ACP pistols, a pistol for combat is still low priority.

If things are that bad and I'm being overrun by BGs, there will probably be other M4s or better guns I could pick up and use.

These type of questions are ridiculous and are for armchair generals planning SHTF scenarios.

I have been in 2 firefights in my life, in one, all I had was a 9mm pistol. I don't remember ever saying to myself that I should go for the spine.
 
Get a 3" barrel SP101 in 9mm with moonclips. Take the factory rounds to a grinding wheel and flat-nose them 'cuz I don't have no steenkin' feed ramp thank ya very much.
 
I would stick with the Beretta M-9 9mm. I would have a rifle and mags, and amo. for the M-9 would be every where, a big plus. I think the M-9 9mm. dose a good job as as the sidearm of the U.S Milatary. I see no need to chang it. This is comeing from a diehard .45 1911 A-1 fan. I just think it's the right tool for the job at this time. I think in this situation I want more rounds in the gun with more spare amo in the mags.
 
I would take either a USP 9, Glock 19 or a Beretta 92fs / 90-two :D I too like the caliber & as a back up weapon, it would be good sidekick
 
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