Sidewinder72
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RCBS combo swage. Works great, once you understand what its doing. ( Or when you bend a rod) You fully understand whats going on.
going to need a primer pocket reamer... suggestions?
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Sport45
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I clamp a drill in my bench vise and set it turning 100 rpm or so with a Hornady pocket reamer chucked in. I can decrimp primer pockets about as fast as I can pick them out of one bucket and drop them into another.
scythefwd
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Whats the difference between a swager and a reamer? The dillon says it rolls a way the crimp... meaning what exactly. A reamer cuts the crimp out... I know what that is doing.
I like the idea of a press mounted swager like the rcbs and the ch4d, and they both look simple enough to use. How exactly are the accomplishing this feat though? Are the just folding or rolling the crimped brass back into the pocket and then flattening it against the pocket side? Wouldn't this cause tight primer pockets and possibly require a reamer to fix anyways?
I like the idea of a press mounted swager like the rcbs and the ch4d, and they both look simple enough to use. How exactly are the accomplishing this feat though? Are the just folding or rolling the crimped brass back into the pocket and then flattening it against the pocket side? Wouldn't this cause tight primer pockets and possibly require a reamer to fix anyways?
dagger dog
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400-1000 cases! You can do that standing on one foot!
Get the Lyman reamer and and chuck it up in you cordless drill, like Sport45.
Get the Lyman reamer and and chuck it up in you cordless drill, like Sport45.
defcon
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CH4D.com swager
defcon
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CH4D installs on the top of your press. You will need your caliber specific shell holder. All the settings are accompanying the swager tool. Fast, easy and painless. They sell small and large pocket swagers, might as well buy them both. Very affordable and for me they worked great so far.
scythefwd
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defcon - does it accept the same shell holder that the ram does or is the one required for the swager different some how?
I have the little RCBS press. You use the shell holder that you use on the press ram.
I have some pain in my hands from repetitive processes so priming on the presses priming system hurts my hands. The ram prime takes no effort & I set the shell plate so that when the ram maxes the seating depth is perfect I have only done probably around 10K but I have never had a problem. My son 8 years old uses it & does a great job. You can feel the primer as it goes in. I have never even crushed a primer with this. I did have 1 primer seated upside down because my son wasn't paying any attention when he first started learning. I seen it but though I'd see how far he would take it.
The crimp shoves brass into the pocket & the swage moves it back. If you adjust the shell plate to the point that the ram maxes just as you fell the rod pass the crimp there's no problems. I nicked the rim on a few cases starting to learn how to use it. After I figured it out all has been good. You can prime or swage as fast as you can switch them out on top of the press.
I have some pain in my hands from repetitive processes so priming on the presses priming system hurts my hands. The ram prime takes no effort & I set the shell plate so that when the ram maxes the seating depth is perfect I have only done probably around 10K but I have never had a problem. My son 8 years old uses it & does a great job. You can feel the primer as it goes in. I have never even crushed a primer with this. I did have 1 primer seated upside down because my son wasn't paying any attention when he first started learning. I seen it but though I'd see how far he would take it.
The crimp shoves brass into the pocket & the swage moves it back. If you adjust the shell plate to the point that the ram maxes just as you fell the rod pass the crimp there's no problems. I nicked the rim on a few cases starting to learn how to use it. After I figured it out all has been good. You can prime or swage as fast as you can switch them out on top of the press.
Unless someone tells me differently, you asked for a uniformer that would double as a crimp reamer.
I am using a Lyman uniformer in a cordless drill. No need to file anything flat on the shank for good traction.
I use it on all by rifle cases everytime I (re)load them. (Got into the habbit w/ the has guns.)
Case in one hand/drill-uniformer in the other.
Zip.........
I am using a Lyman uniformer in a cordless drill. No need to file anything flat on the shank for good traction.
I use it on all by rifle cases everytime I (re)load them. (Got into the habbit w/ the has guns.)
Case in one hand/drill-uniformer in the other.
Zip.........
They did (and still do) on all the HXP brass.
(Granted, the Greeks don't go overboard)
And you still need to use the uniformer to ensure proper gas-gun primer seating
Otherwise, I've got the RCBS *AND* the C&H primer pocket swagers in the cabinet.
(I've collected a lotta stuff over the years.) They both work well. C&H the best.
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(Granted, the Greeks don't go overboard)
And you still need to use the uniformer to ensure proper gas-gun primer seating
Otherwise, I've got the RCBS *AND* the C&H primer pocket swagers in the cabinet.
(I've collected a lotta stuff over the years.) They both work well. C&H the best.
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dbarnhart
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I've used the Lyman hand tool and I think it is fine if you've got a few dozen cases to ream.
I've also used the RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Combo, and if you're going to process a few hundred cases it would work fine. I personally find it to be slow and I smashed my thumb one too many times.
You don't have to spend much money trying different solutions before you soon reach the price of the Dillon Super Swage 600 which is the best tool for the job. I've got about 1500 .223 cases I'll be running through it today.
I've also used the RCBS Primer Pocket Swager Combo, and if you're going to process a few hundred cases it would work fine. I personally find it to be slow and I smashed my thumb one too many times.
You don't have to spend much money trying different solutions before you soon reach the price of the Dillon Super Swage 600 which is the best tool for the job. I've got about 1500 .223 cases I'll be running through it today.
The C&H operates with similar speed but on the press.
Pull the handle and you're done. (1/5 the $ of the Dillon)
http://www.ch4d.com/catalog/?p=57
And when you have to uniform the pocket seat (not the same as swage), use the drill -- 30 cases/minute -- not the hand.
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Pull the handle and you're done. (1/5 the $ of the Dillon)
http://www.ch4d.com/catalog/?p=57
And when you have to uniform the pocket seat (not the same as swage), use the drill -- 30 cases/minute -- not the hand.
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Sport45
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The $9 Hornady reamer removes the crimp and can't go too deep. You can mess up a pocket if you really try by wiggling the case around and cutting much too long.
(Picture from Hornady websight)
A $.99 countersink from Harbor Freight will remove the crimp and chamfer the opening as well. Easier to overdo it, but not hard to master.
(Picture from Harbor Freight)
The reamer that MEHavey posted above should work well too.
(Picture from Hornady websight)
A $.99 countersink from Harbor Freight will remove the crimp and chamfer the opening as well. Easier to overdo it, but not hard to master.
(Picture from Harbor Freight)
The reamer that MEHavey posted above should work well too.
scythefwd
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if I still have to unifom the seat, why bother swaging?
dbarn... If you pinch a finger using the ch4d tool, you're using it wrong.
unlike the rcbs tool, the brass sits on the die, not run through it.
dbarn... If you pinch a finger using the ch4d tool, you're using it wrong.
unlike the rcbs tool, the brass sits on the die, not run through it.
jcwit
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I've done both reaming and swaging, much rather swage. much easier IMO.
If using for target ammo I might uniform, depending on how accurate the reloads are.
If using for target ammo I might uniform, depending on how accurate the reloads are.
scythefwd
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me - will consider it if im reloading for a semi
defcon
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Takes your standard shell holder what you already have with your die set. The swager slides into the place of the shell holder on the ram. You screw the swaging "die" on the top of your press like a regular die. Slide your shell holder on the top and after adjusting the depth for your primer pocket depth you are in business. The very strong hardened steel swaging pin will not bend. Let me see if I can take some pictures. (I need to charge the battery for the camera first. Bear with me) I should be ready to post it in an hour or so.
scythefwd
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defcon - No need. I looked it up on ch4d.com. I thought it only took one shell holder and was a bit confused when you mentioned it would require a caliber specific one. I assumed you were talking about something that was not the normal shell holder, which is why I asked.
defcon
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Be careful with the first few brasses. I managed to bend the extraction groove on a couple because I set the depth too deep. This swager is very sturdy and strong and with the press leverage I did not feel what was going on first. Then it was a breeze.
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