Grumpy old man at the counter...

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...or why Academy is dumb.

This was my second time walking into the new Academy, but I've been into similar places plenty of times so I had an idea of what to expect at the gun counter. I picked up some rifle ammo and just for kicks wanted to look at one of the XD's in the case. I was surprised to find that I was the ONLY one at the counter. After thinking though I figured most left town, so lucky me.

Well, I walked up and there were no less than 3 employees there. 2 chewing the fat and 1 fiddling with some binoculars. I stood there, looking at the older gentleman with the binoculars, waiting for him to acknowledge me. After a minute or 2 he looked up at me, said nothing, and went back to what he was doing.

Normally this wouldn't bother me, but I guess today it just put a burr under my saddle. I looked back at the other 2 guys, surprised to see than one was a manager, but this didn't help my predicament any since wat they were talking about took priority over doing their job.

After 5 minutes, I got tired about being stubborn, cleared my throat, and the old guy looked up and asked what I wanted. I told him that I wanted to see one of the guns in the case. He opened up the case and handed me the XD (which was really nice by the way) complete with gun lock. I asked him if he could take it off and he said nope. I asked if it was company policy and he said yes. I thought this was wierd since none of the revolvers had any locks on them.

Here's where things went south. I did the one thing that I shouldn't do when dealing with retail sales people... I asked why. Well, he got flustered and said that it was to keep yokels from coming in, dryfiring, and runing the gun. Not sure whether he was referring to me or just people in general, I said that 500+ dollars was alot to spend for a gun without trying the trigger. Well, he had enough and asked for the gun back telling me that I wasn't there to buy it anyways.

Not willing to let it die I gave him my parting shot and said that he was right, I only buy my firearms from places with reputable and knowledgable staff.

I have to say I was honestly surprised at this whole thing. I've been into many large places like this and come aross people who don't know much, but never someone who was this bad as far as customer service.
 
hehe, you did what most people would do. I wouldn t spend that much without getting a feel of the trigger pull either.
 
You did the right thing. Some shops act as if they're doing you a favor by allowing you to plop down your cash. I hope you find a decent shop in your area, they're becoming pretty scarce.
 
This is why I like the mom and pop places. I bought my new to me Bersa at a local gun shop. Not only did I leave with a nice little pistol, but with alot of additional information on CCW laws. The owner of this shop also performs the CCW classes.

About the only thing I've seen worth looking at, at Academy, is a couple of cheap rifles and shotguns. They have decent prices on .22 ammo as well. Most "big box" type establishments are simply staffed by whatever crawls into the place, and can fog a mirror.
 
I would have went to the store manager and then called Academy headquarters. Ever since my little heart booboo in April I have had a magor change in my attitude toward companies of any kind. I have always been rebelous, but now if they do me bad, I want to draw blood so that they know not to repeat their mistakes. My wife thinks I'm an A$$ because she lets them walk over her while I go for the jugular. :evil:
 
just for kicks wanted to look at one of the XD's in the case


telling me that I wasn't there to buy it anyways.



Sounds like he was correct in his assesment.

Sure. But what if he had not been correct? It was pure assumption on the salesman's part. I had a store owner tell me that once. He said he wasn't going to go into his store room and get what I was asking about, since "you're not a serious buyer, anyway." I was that day. I flashed my cash (yea, I had cash) and he went in the back to get it. When he came back with the firearm, I was gone. Good for me, really, as I found it a few weeks later at a gunshow for a bit less.

When it is a store owner, hopefully he learns from his mistake. When its a chain store employee, no one will notice unless the OP raises a fuss.

Either way, the job is *sales*man, not *smart@$$*man. They shouldn't diss potential customers whom they have never even met before.
 
Well, I walked up and there were no less than 3 employees there. 2 chewing the fat and 1 fiddling with some binoculars. I stood there, looking at the older gentleman with the binoculars, waiting for him to acknowledge me. After a minute or 2 he looked up at me, said nothing, and went back to what he was doing.

Normally this wouldn't bother me, but I guess today it just put a burr under my saddle. I looked back at the other 2 guys, surprised to see than one was a manager, but this didn't help my predicament any since wat they were talking about took priority over doing their job.

After 5 minutes, I got tired about being stubborn, cleared my throat, and the old guy looked up and asked what I wanted.

This is the part I find inexcusable. You should have been acknowledged the moment you walked up to the counter.
 
I've had good experiances with the two Academy's I go to
one says the have to carry my ammo to the check out which
is great because those cases get heavy the other one makes me carry
it myself.
 
Me too!

I, too, have found gun salesmen to be a cranky lot. I admit that they do have to deal with a lot of odd people on a daily basis, but then so do a lot of other trades and professions. I am a child abuse/neglect investigator and run into all sorts of strange, mentally ill people on a daily basis and I am still pleasant.

There used to be a stange, cranky little man that ran an indoor range I used to go to in NJ back in the eighties. He was a old, crabby, ex-NYPD cop with an omnipresent cigar and a nasty miniature schnauser dog that had a personality similar to its owner. In his case, he became to me an endearing figure because his crankiness was so extreme he made me laugh. Try as I might, I just couldn't force myself to dislike the guy.
 
They apparently let folks handle pistols and drag them behind cars on a chain. Or let bears maul them or something.

My Academy had some VERY cheap Ruger Mark II pistols a while back. All were, per manager, floor models from stores in the region marked to close out in view of Mark III coming out, and ALL were scratched to hell and back. I had them bring out the six or so they had on hand, and all looked HORRIBLE.

I could not believe how bad they looked just from folks handling them in the stores, but apparently folks put them through hell.

I really wanted to buy one for the low price, but they were all so awful I passed on them all.

I have bought a gun from Academy (a Mark II even) and buy tons of ammo from them, but their customers are apparently just hell on floor models.
 
Most Academy stores I have been in have acknowledged me very quickly when I hit the gun counter. I have stopped by one in League City, TX. There is a younger guy at the gun counter on weekday afternoons that is fairly knowledgeable about guns. At least he talked it up with me for a little while when I was just buying a little ammo and looking around. At least he was there a month ago. He let me fondle an XD and the Bushmaster carbine they had up there. :)
 
To change the thread a little...

Fortunately, the good experiences outweigh the bad. To plug a few really GOOD places to shop...

Deming, New Mexico: about ten miles south of town, New Deal Shooting Sports. They're rural, and have their own shooting range (never shot there, only been there while passing through town, but paid $230 NIB for something that retails for $350 on the manufacturers' web site).

Safford, Arizona: B&M Guns. Friendly, with a friendly cat who roams the store. Deal mostly in hunting stuff, so I don't go much, 'cause I don't hunt!

Safford, Arizona: The Firing Pin. New store, also very friendly. Owners have been in mailorder/WWW business for YEARS, though: www.firingpin.com

Tucson, Ariziona: Tucson Guns and Western Artifacts. HIDDEN in a strip mall, 8500 block East Broadway. Look for the pickup truck with GUNS banner parked on Broadway. Friendly, and one of my former students works there.

Sorry if this seems commercial, but every time this kind of thread pops up, the FFLs around here tend to get defensive (rightly so) and I just wanted them to know that customers DO appreciate friendly people behind the counter even when we're just "window" shopping (I've never bought firearms at any of the Arizona stores, just to let ya know, but have made purchases at all three).
 
If it were me, a lengthy letter to corporate headquarters would be in the mail by now. But then, my wife says I'm not a nice person.

I used to do this, but being a little older and wiser (well... mostly older) I've figured that my time is better spent doing things I like rather than going on a crusade to change stuff. Besides, if I'm on my computer I'd rather be here or on one of my car boards than typing some letter that no one will read nor care about.
 
Sounds like he was correct in his assesment.

Could you be related to the gentleman I deal with this afternoon? :rolleyes:

As for the counter guy, he was correct insofar as his attitude and customer service guaranteed that I would not purchase anything other than what I came in for today.

Not everyone walks into a gun store knowing they are or are not going to make a purchase. In fact some of my best deals have been unplanned/on impulse. The very last firearm I picked up I purchased at my gun club. I was there for some range time and had no intention of doing anything else.

Bottom line, a salesman never knows for sure if someone will buy, but they can do things that guarantee someone will not.
 
Sorry to hear about your Academy experience. My local Academy stores would take off the trigger lock when they show you the gun, at least at the 3 stores near me that I've looked at pistols. (Although a salesman was kind of annoyed when I asked to see 5 pistols; I was helping a friend shop so I wanted him to try different ones.)

The academy store where I bought a pistol would also go through their inventory and let me pick the one that seems to have the best trigger and overall condition. And this was a cheap $200 Bersa 380. The salesman was really nice, actually cleaned off the packing grease from the guns for me to check it out.

Of course, you can't compare Academy service to the good gun stores, which IMO bend over backwards for their customers. Try going to some gun stores and see if you get better service.
 
Academy has some nice prices on guns, but they will make it very clear to you that any problems with the gun are between you and the manufacturer. They even made me sign a form agreeing to same. You walk out the door with it, and you are on your own.

I bought a Ruger there, but I had faith it would work and that if it did not Ruger would not give me trouble fixing it. Had it been a less reliable or foreign brand, I may have paid more to get it at a dealer who would handle any function issues at the store level.

That said, love their ammo prices!!
 
you can't compare Academy service to the good gun stores

It seems like the folks at the local gun shops see me and assume that since I'm young (23), I am not a serious buyer.

However at places like Academy and Cabelas, the staff is usually happy to show me whatever I want. Go figure.
 
I have been to many gun shops/stores, gun shows, etc and am generally offended by the sales person, owner or whoever that takes offence to the fact that I may wish to check out something that he has offered for sale.

Looking is preprartory to buying. If I can not look at or handle a working (not collectable firearm) I will not buy it. Simple as that.

Oh well, their loss....

Vern
 
Sounds like he was correct in his assesment.

When you're an ass and inept at even basic customer service like that guy, that "assumption" will always be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Gun store employees are a generally unimpressive lot.....thankfully sales (of firearms in general) don't wane based on that. As consumer products go, guns are hard to beat for quality and reliability and sheer joy of ownership. Too bad their acquisition is sometimes painful for a lot of reasons.

Being treated in that manner would coincide with my last visit at that store, EVER. I'm glad you gave as good as you got....good job.
 
Similar experience with Academy.
I went to the manager with my Firearms instructors credintials and politely told him that I spend almost $3,000 on ammunition alone and that I would be happy to spend it somewhere else if I could not get a feel of the trigger on the Glock I wanted to see. He considered this and took the trigger locks off{or told the counter employees to do it} I bought the Glock, and continue to support Academy. You catch more flies with honey.

Side note: Found out two days later that I could have bought the same gun at a local LEO supply shop for $150 less{Think it was $525 at Academy, vs $379 at GT}
 
We got quite a few shops like that around here. I even had one guy have a hissy because I checked out the barrel of a 2nd hand rifle. Such people really need to adjust their wedgie.
 
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