Gun: A Fashion Statement?

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Guns: A New Fashion Statement?

Posted: March 11, 2008 10:02 PM EDT

Updated: March 11, 2008 10:44 PM EDT

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Gun: A Fashion Statement?









By Michelle Costa

Fashion is very important for teenagers. But, there's a new fashion hitting local clothing stores causing some concern to people. On Sunday, we brought you the story of a mall store selling plastic guns as clothing accessories. Tuesday, Local News 8 looked into the impact of this fashion statement.

These little plastic guns are the latest clothing accessory, they're belt buckles. The store manager of Track 101 didn't want to speak with us on camera, but she said it's their right to sell them.

"It's on a belt buckle. You can completely see it. It has diamonds on it. You can completely tell it's fake," said the Track 101 Manager.

"It may be offensive to some, but, you know, we can't please everyone. We have customers who like it. We do apologize if we do offend anyone, of course," said the manager.

If you walk through the Pine Ridge Mall right now, you'll notice that the display for Track 101 has changed. It doesn't include the gun belt anymore. The manager said it's not because people complained.

She said they changed it for their new summer display.

We've received many emails both in favor and against the store's display. With the public's interest, we wanted to know if it's truly a concern.

If these plastic guns do become popular, our local schools aren't going to accept it.

"If a student came to school with a belt that was promoting a gun, we would consider that a weapon and we would deal with it from a weapons perspective," said Mary Vagner, Pocatello/Chubbuck Schools Superintendent.

"That sends to children a very wrong message. And it is a destructible message," said Vagner.

Chubbuck Police agree. They've been warning the public about plastic guns for awhile now and have actually had an incident of two teens presenting a fake gun in December.

"In a situation when it's low light , officers are responding to a call from a citizen, a concerned citizen, they don't know if the guns are real or not," Cpt. Ken Quinn, Assistant Chief of Chubbuck Police.

"They design these guns specifically to look real. The only thing that toys are supposed to have is an orange cap at the end of the barrel," said Cpt. Quinn.

Chubbuck Police said they don't have the authority to stop them from displaying the guns, but are still concerned about the statement they are showing.
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This is scary:

If a student came to school with a belt that was promoting a gun, we would consider that a weapon and we would deal with it from a weapons perspective," said Mary Vagner, Pocatello/Chubbuck Schools Superintendent.

"That sends to children a very wrong message. And it is a destructible message," said Vagner.
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First, it would be a weapon.... Ok...

Secondly, it is a DESTRUCIBLE message? And this is the superintendent of schools!!!!????

Also, I love how the policeman said they were designed to look real... while the seller said
"It's on a belt buckle. You can completely see it. It has diamonds on it. You can completely tell it's fake," said the Track 101 Manager
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Those poor police, always running into criminals wearing a diamond encrusted gun on their belt.
 
Will the insanity never end? Someone PLEASE protect us from the horrors of these diamond crusted plastic guns!

What if my children see a movie with a gun in it and scrape off all the diamonds and break the buckle so they can go play with it and someone calls the police and the police have to shoot them because they can't tell instantly if it's a real gun or not?
 
That article scares me more because Pocatello/Chubbuck School District is in one of the most gun friendly states of IDAHO.
 
Just submitted these comments. Comments get reviewed, according to the form, before they are added to the article. It'll be interesting to see if they are accepted.

A "diamond" encrusted gun on a belt is likely to be mistaken by the police for a real gun?

Really?

This stretches credulity to the breaking point and beyond.

What, exactly, is an "incident of a teen presenting a fake gun?" That's some pretty vague reporting. Was it a merely a student wearing one of the belts, and some citizen over-reacting?

In any case, whatever action a person takes with a piece of clothing or jewelry belongs to the person--not to the object, or to the merchant who sold it.

By the way, the word "child" is mentioned when the article seems to talk mostly about teens. When is a teen a child? Any time we want to drum up statistics in arguments about guns. When is a teen not a child? Any time we want to hand them the car keys and send them to the store for milk.

Here, I'll shorten the article for you: "Guns are bad, m'kay? So don't have jewelry that looks like guns, m'kay? Because guns are bad, m'kay?"
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Regardless of what the geniuses at the school district have to say, guns as fashion accessories is an incredibly stupid idea. Guns are tools. What's next, a pipe wrench tie. Bandsaw blade suspenders. Welder's face-shield sunglasses.
What kind of atavistic metrosexual ****** adorns their clothes with toys anyway. I stopped playing with my GI Joes at age ten. I grew out of them, started noticing girls.
 
If a student came to school with a belt that was promoting a gun, we would consider that a weapon and we would deal with it from a weapons perspective," said Mary Vagner, Pocatello/Chubbuck Schools Superintendent.
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Orwellian. So if a student wears a piece of clothing that "was promoting a gun" the mere promotion of a legally owned device is now "a weapon".

Thoughtcrime.
 
"If a student came to school with a belt that was promoting a gun, we would consider that a weapon and we would deal with it from a weapons perspective," said Mary Vagner, Pocatello/Chubbuck Schools Superintendent.
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There's that pesky map/territory problem.

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
 
In a past life I was a middle school teacher and the district had a no gun or replica gun policy. The kids (following Gangsta Rap fashion trickle-down) had little plastic (like old GI Joe size) guns on key chains and leashes. They'd get a warning from me IF they let me seal it up in an enevelope and send it with them at end of day (the FIRST time). Otherwise, fine--let ANOTHER teacher catch you and have a fun suspension.

Reason # 891 why I don't teach at public schools anymore.
 
Regardless of what the geniuses at the school district have to say, guns as fashion accessories is an incredibly stupid idea. Guns are tools. What's next, a pipe wrench tie. Bandsaw blade suspenders. Welder's face-shield sunglasses.
What kind of atavistic metrosexual ****** adorns their clothes with toys anyway. I stopped playing with my GI Joes at age ten. I grew out of them, started noticing girls.
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That sounds incredibly fuddy duddy.
first off, aren't belts themselves tools, used for holding up one's pants? So people decide to alter a functional item with their own touch and call it fashion. I've seen contractors and the like wear suspenders that look like tape measures. Is that stupid?
I also bet you could find a tie with a pipe wrench on it.

The fact is, these kids(teenagers, whatever) are doing absolutely nothing wrong by buying these belts.

"If a student came to school with a belt that was promoting a gun, we would consider that a weapon and we would deal with it from a weapons perspective," said Mary Vagner, Pocatello/Chubbuck Schools Superintendent.
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I've seen this stupidity from administrators before. When I was looking around at high schools, we toured one school where the admissions director stated "the school wouldn't be the school without the students."
 
"I've seen this stupidity from administrators before. When I was looking around at high schools, we toured one school where the admissions director stated "the school wouldn't be the school without the students.""

No kidding. I can still remember being in high school. We had to make ourselves unique by dressing differently.
It is the nature of kids to want to be different that their parents.
 
I say we propose a test....lets lay a loaded AR-15....and a belt buckle with a "bling bling" image of a gun on it on a table...and let them sit there..and see which one jumps up and kills old women, children and puppies first.........When I was in elementary school many ions ago we had a day when you could dress up for Halloween...my father also being law enforcement helped me make a pistol out of cardboard to put in the sash of my pirate outfit...no one thought anything of it!...times have changed my friends and its sad......firearms CAN be a fashion piece..whether it be a finely crafted leather open/CCW holster, a SIG SAUER T-shirt that matches your pants, or as little as a pen that says "Glock"....its a lifestyle, not a threat. People wear NASCAR shirts, does that mean we should label them all as fugitive bootleggers because of the actions of a few people from the past?
 
I thought this thread was a thread that I was going to start where I notice that some of my buddies who CCW will carry a high end 1911 at fund raising dinners and other "fancy" events. And instead carry the beat up j-frame when they are out mudding with there trucks. Now I am just mad at yet another dumb school official.
 
Extreme stupidity seems to be a job requirement for any position above teacher in the public school system. Upon becoming visibly angry (but not violent or abusive) at some particularly egregious demonstration of idiocy (probably the result of inbreeding and congenital STDs) on the part of of some educrats, I was told "You're getting upset. Come back some other time." At this I informed them that I made good money and could not afford to miss any more work to engage in fruitless discourse with incompetents. The meeting adjourned with my having gained nothing but the surety that the clowns who run the schools do so because they can not survive in the Real World where cognitive deficiency mitigates against success. :mad:
 
"If a student came to school with a belt that was promoting a gun, we would consider that a weapon and we would deal with it from a weapons perspective," said Mary Vagner, Pocatello/Chubbuck Schools Superintendent.
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Lincoln once asked a reporter a question. He asked, "If you called a tail a leg, how many legs would a dog have?" The reporter answered, "Five." to which Lincoln replied, "No, the dog would still have four legs. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one."
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"In a situation when it's low light , officers are responding to a call from a citizen, a concerned citizen, they don't know if the guns are real or not," Cpt. Ken Quinn, Assistant Chief of Chubbuck Police.
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The PD must have an incredibly [ambiguity intended] high level of training in that they even check out belt buckles in low light conditions.
 
Secondly, it is a DESTRUCIBLE message? And this is the superintendent of schools!!!!????
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Priceless!
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In her defense ( :barf: ) in the video she did say "destructive." The middle-school aged news reporter got the quote wrong.

I always hate reading articles quoting people then watching the video and finding all the quotes were mangled...
 
Kids at my school from time to time wear these, or at least they used to. But I think admins cracked down on the proliferation of deadly firearms in school. </saracasm>
They're not my style... but it doesn't take much looking to tell that they're not actual weapons.
 
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